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    Quote Originally Posted by Joško Poljak Fan View Post
    It will be interesting to see how Antetekoumpo can mold in with the Greek team.

    I think the Greek team has to be molded in to his style of play and capabilities not the other way around. When one player is a transformative talent and the rest of the team are pretty much marginal players if you don't build it and coach it that way you are really doing a disservice to the team and their chance of success.
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    Quote Originally Posted by usagre View Post

    It will be interesting to see how Antetekoumpo can mold in with the Greek team.


    I think the Greek team has to be molded in to his style of play and capabilities not the other way around. When one player is a transformative talent and the rest of the team are pretty much marginal players if you don't build it and coach it that way you are really doing a disservice to the team and their chance of success.
    That is true. The problem is that coaching egos of Europe are way too big and they will try to make a system and then make Giannis a part of it. He was terribly misused in the past and he didn't play that well. I think that in general he seems to need a lot of mental improvement as a player since we can see in the NBA also that he doesn't respond well to being out of his comfort zone. I think that Greeks need to go for a team with defensive upside and surround Giannis with length and athleticism/transition.

    Lineup like:

    Calathes
    Sloukas
    Giannis
    Printezis
    Koufos

    Should be able to move very well and put a lot of pressure on the ball and the passing lanes. From there a lot can be generated in transition. Then just run the second unit with Mantzaris/Papas/Perperoglou/K-Pap/Bourousis. I think that could work out well, and they could adapt to many challenges. They would be a bit limited shooting wise but still, other aspects should not be that bad.
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    @Coach Z . Yeah I definitely agree they need to play fast and I think Printezis can also benefit from Giannis' play making. It's just unfortunate that they have not produced any shooters recently.

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    @Coach Z . Yeah I definitely agree they need to play fast and I think Printezis can also benefit from Giannis' play making. It's just unfortunate that they have not produced any shooters recently.
    Sloukas is a good shooter, Pappas is not bad either if he comes.
    Perperoglou and Papanikolaou have a rather good shot, but it is true that there are no exceptional shooters in the team.

    But I would like Greece to start again, not many good results since the departure of the trio Papaloukas-Diamantidis-Spanoulis.
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    I think if Latvia will gather all of its best players (Porzingis, brothers Bertrans, Strelniks, Tima, ....), it will surprise a lot of teams, they should be able to dig in even Serbia, but in reality I think the group second place guaranteed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Capé View Post
    Sloukas is a good shooter, Pappas is not bad either if he comes.
    Perperoglou and Papanikolaou have a rather good shot, but it is true that there are no exceptional shooters in the team.

    But I would like Greece to start again, not many good results since the departure of the trio Papaloukas-Diamantidis-Spanoulis.
    Perhaps Greece does not have an excellent shooter, but almost anyone can shoot. Including Printezis, Papapetrou and Bouroussis. Imo Greece's result will largely depend on the coach and whether he can glue them together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CoachZ View Post
    That is true. The problem is that coaching egos of Europe are way too big
    Yeah I definitely agree. I liken it to big name NCAA coaches. It was said that Dean Smith was the only one who could stop Jordan offensively while he coached him at a North Carolina.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usagre View Post
    Yeah I definitely agree. I liken it to big name NCAA coaches. It was said that Dean Smith was the only one who could stop Jordan offensively while he coached him at a North Carolina.
    It's become a very big issue. During the basketball golden years of Yugoslavia (late 80s), coaches did a great job of managing players, creating a unique style of play and then letting the talent flourish. Those teams were stacked with talent, roles were fluid and not everything was micromanaged to the last single detail, players were no super-specialists in their roles and not everything had to be scripted and run a certain way. Those teams just ran over people, because talent was given room to be great. Much has changed since then. Since the mid-90s systems became more intricate, players lost a lot of freedom, micromanagement to a fault is present everywhere. This is I believe a wrong approach for a national team.

    Club basketball can benefit from this a lot, due to long seasons and pressure to perform every single game and play against top teams in Euroleague etc. National teams usually flourish when they are given freedom and fluidity within the system. Like I mentioned, Yugo/Serbia teams of the 80s and 90s, Spain of 2000s, they all enjoyed prolonged success because talent was given room to play to it's potential. That is something that will rarely be seen today.

    Regarding Dean Smith, I always thought he is the most overrated NCAA coach. With the level of talent he has enjoyed over his coaching career, two national championships (one with possibly the best team ever in NCAA in 82, with Jordan, Worthy and Perkins and the second one vs Fab Five of Michigan, who were so full of themselves and basically shit their pants in that game). I never understood the hype about him. He is a coach who's biggest contribution to modern college basketball is running the Four Corners into oblivion to stall the games when he had even a slim lead. Fucking NCAA had to introduce a shot clock because of this.
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    On another topic, a bit of a scary few days for Serbia.

    Bjelica left a game yesterday in crutches and his foot injury is deemed serious. He was shut down by the Wolves for the rest of the season. If it is a broken foot/ligaments etc. This might even jeopardize his participation in the next Eurobasket.

    Tonight also Bogdanovic went down again in pain, with an ankle injury to the same ankle that he has injured earlier this year and missed a lot of time. That is never good. But we will know more about that in a few days. Let's hope it's not a serious injury but rather a sprain...
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    @ Coach Z. I absolutely agree. As we both argued in the past club basketball as opposed to national team play is a whole different ball game due to the limited preparation and actual game play time. It is so easy to over coach when you have limited time and get too intricate. And as for Dean Smith I couldn't agree more.
    He had the incredible talent for 25 years and as you stated won only 2 titles. And if you look even closer you could argue he was lucky to even win those two. Chris Webber non existent time out call that cost them that game and although much attention us giving to the Jordan jump shot that won him his first title, Ewing actually dominated that game and a Georgetown had the ball with a chance to win in the closing seconds but committed a famous unbelievable turn over by literally handing the ball to the opposing team.
    Bobby Knight in my opinion was and always will be the standard by which college coaches are judged on.
    He never had grade A talent but coached them up and won at an incredible rate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoachZ View Post
    On another topic, a bit of a scary few days for Serbia.

    Bjelica left a game yesterday in crutches and his foot injury is deemed serious. He was shut down by the Wolves for the rest of the season. If it is a broken foot/ligaments etc. This might even jeopardize his participation in the next Eurobasket.

    Tonight also Bogdanovic went down again in pain, with an ankle injury to the same ankle that he has injured earlier this year and missed a lot of time. That is never good. But we will know more about that in a few days. Let's hope it's not a serious injury but rather a sprain...
    Yeah it seems Bjelica maybe snake bit when it comes to national team participation. But the tournament is still so far way I think it might not affect Serbia if many stars from other countries don't participate. And I think judging by other non Olympic qualyfing Eurobaskets it is a good possibility that many may unfortunately skip the tournament.

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    Yeah we share the same opinion. Bobby is the man. Also I would like to mention a guy that is often overlooked unfairly and he has accomplished similar things over his career. also being challenged in terms of talent etc. Jim Calhoun. What he did at UCONN is a phenomenal job.

    Also I think that coaching greatness and legacy doesn't always come from just pure wins and championships. There are a lot of coaches who's influence on the game is eternal due to innovations and changes they brought to the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G&B View Post
    I think if Latvia will gather all of its best players (Porzingis, brothers Bertrans, Strelniks, Tima, ....), it will surprise a lot of teams, they should be able to dig in even Serbia, but in reality I think the group second place guaranteed.
    I completely forgot about them, they could assemble a really good team, as you say. If their range gets going they could beat anyone.

    Every eurobasket since the expansion to 24 teams, had 1 or 2 teams surprising everyone. Finland, Macedonia, Belgium, Ukraine... I wonder which one is next...
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    That's funny shit.I cant believe there are sports fans thinking like it.It's like Federer losing to random Japanese player in round 1 of French Open but tournament director stepping in and saying "hey it was a fluke win who wants to watch a random Japanese guy in next round,Federer qualifies"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joško Poljak Fan View Post
    I completely forgot about them, they could assemble a really good team, as you say. If their range gets going they could beat anyone.

    Every eurobasket since the expansion to 24 teams, had 1 or 2 teams surprising everyone. Finland, Macedonia, Belgium, Ukraine... I wonder which one is next...
    The surprise may be forthcoming not only from Latvia, but also from Slovenia, Croatia, Greece or Italy. I call it a surprise, that these teams can push out of the semi-finals any of the favorites command. Of course, Greece and Italy could even be attributed to the favorites group, but lately they are playing worse than their potential.

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    Seems like Pau is going to play. If both brothers will come, yet another gold medal for Spain...Damn, how much it means to have one true all around gem, leader. Spain is dominant since 2003 (very competitive since 2001) and the key is Pau.

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    With this Latvia team, Serbia has yet to strongly fight for the first place in the group

    PG Janis Strielniks 191, PG Janis Blums 191
    PG/SG Dairis Bertrans 192; SG Aigars Skele 192; SG/SF Kristaps Janicenoks 196
    SF Daivis Bertrans 205; SF Janis Tima 201; SF/ PF Ojers Silins 205
    PF Rolands Freimanis 210; PF Mareks Mejers 207 / PF Martins Mejers 206;
    PF/C Kristaps Porzingis 221; PF/C Kaspars Berzins 213 / C Anjei Pasečniks 210

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    Quote Originally Posted by G&B View Post
    With this Latvia team, Serbia has yet to strongly fight for the first place in the group

    PG Janis Strielniks 191, PG Janis Blums 191
    PG/SG Dairis Bertrans 192; SG Aigars Skele 192; SG/SF Kristaps Janicenoks 196
    SF Daivis Bertrans 205; SF Janis Tima 201; SF/ PF Ojers Silins 205
    PF Rolands Freimanis 210; PF Mareks Mejers 207 / PF Martins Mejers 206;
    PF/C Kristaps Porzingis 221; PF/C Kaspars Berzins 213 / C Anjei Pasečniks 210
    That Latvia team can beat Serbia at full strength if both teams play at high level, maybe once in 10-15 games...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CoachZ View Post
    That Latvia team can beat Serbia at full strength if both teams play at high level, maybe once in 10-15 games...
    Latvians in their shooting day can steal the game againts any europe team including Serbia.Serbia is beatable, Spain with Pau in playoffs mood not really...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawshank View Post
    Latvians in their shooting day can steal the game againts any europe team including Serbia.Serbia is beatable, Spain with Pau in playoffs mood not really...
    That's why I said precisely, if both teams play their A game that's the outcome. How often can you have a fantastic shooting day? How often the other team will play terrible defense? How often the other team will play like shit on their offense etc. When you add all those things, you get the expectations.

    It's not saying that Serbia or Spain cannot be beaten (they both can), the point was the likelyhood of that happening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CoachZ View Post
    That's why I said precisely, if both teams play their A game that's the outcome. How often can you have a fantastic shooting day? How often the other team will play terrible defense? How often the other team will play like shit on their offense etc. When you add all those things, you get the expectations.

    It's not saying that Serbia or Spain cannot be beaten (they both can), the point was the likelyhood of that happening.
    Once in 5 games and Latvias outshouts Serbia im sure.Definetely not in 15,as you trying to show as serbia is some kind monsters.

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