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    Good morning, do you have any news about tonight match with Bnei Herzliya? Any tips for wathcing this match from Italy? Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by cigarafterten View Post
    Good morning, do you have any news about tonight match with Bnei Herzliya? Any tips for wathcing this match from Italy? Thanks
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    i'm from italy but i'm sorry ,i dont know how to follow il league from here

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    Quote Originally Posted by maccabeo View Post
    with all respect , this is incredible to read. i was scared by this domestic and minor title because it could change opinion about this mediocre rooster and this mediocre coach. your words confirmed me , fans are the main mta problem as our owners are. il cup is another sport compared with euleague and even if we won vs jerusalem (a good eurocup team anyway) thay would loose by 20 vs bamberg in same competition and by 30 vs real madrid or cska. we had a disater season and after a win vs jerusalem (other il teams are even hard to be rated for certain eu level) fans start watching this team as a team ,even with a good center(inverson) who is simply a tall man, nothing more ,and even with a good coach. incredibile,really incredible. who knows mayb ethey will even confirm mekel-ohyaon, why not (!!!!)
    mta are surely our problem. we woul deserve to play eurocup forever with such a mediocrity views
    Since you admit yourself you don't get to watch local games where you are, it means you never watched the games I was taking about. So your opinion about them is invalid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMirror View Post
    Since you admit yourself you don't get to watch local games where you are, it means you never watched the games I was taking about. So your opinion about them is invalid.
    if u are comparing il league with euroleague, so if u are getting some positive view by our first place in league and by matches vs teams who coldnt play any european cometition except jerusalem, sorry we are writing of different sport. for the lonely real competition mta play, the lonely who really historically have sense for maccabi, coach and whole roster, except goud and miller (if in health), are good just to stay outside the court as ball boy. nothing more. mekel ohayon iverson, just writing of those names make me scared. rudd such a confusionary istintive player, seeley a good three pointers but a disaster considering everything else.also what about smith and pnini's last breath ? u use to see il league games. is the same as watcing football champions league games and finland football league. u ar so far from rality that i really hope nobody in israel have your same views. sure ,with fans like you, manager has no reason to change plans , invetsment and way of move
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    Since you keep writing about two games you didn't even see, this entire manifest you just wrote doesn't make your opinion any more valid.

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    what's going on with Miller? I hope he will be ok for next season but the actual situation doesn't tranquilize us at all. Did he come back to action too early?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMirror View Post
    Since you keep writing about two games you didn't even see, this entire manifest you just wrote doesn't make your opinion any more valid.
    i'm writing of euroleague, the league we are writing about. u are writing of a minor league. something u cant compre with euroleague. ohayon could play il league. iverson can, mekel can. el is a league they cant play, even if they number in il league would be marvellous

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    Then I have to disagree with you. With the budget Maccabi has, I think Iverson is a good backup center for the EL. Ohayon and Mekel are also good enough for the EL as backups. They are not good enough to be starters and have the team built around them, and that's the problem - they are starters in Maccabi. Iverson should have been a backup to Zirbes, and if Zirbes was functioning properly - that would have been a good plan. Mekel and Ohayon - this is bad planning, I grant you that. Maccabi should have kept one of them, as a backup to a much better point guard.

    besides, I have a feeling you think the owners are obliged to provide a CSKA-like budget for the team, and lose tens of millions of dollars every year, just for your entertainment. You're wrong there as well, they don't owe you s**t. What you should expect them to do is to give their money to able managers, and not let failed managers like the troika waste their money. They should treat failed managers like they would in their private business - perform, or go home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMirror View Post
    Then I have to disagree with you. With the budget Maccabi has, I think Iverson is a good backup center for the EL. Ohayon and Mekel are also good enough for the EL as backups. They are not good enough to be starters and have the team built around them, and that's the problem - they are starters in Maccabi. Iverson should have been a backup to Zirbes, and if Zirbes was functioning properly - that would have been a good plan. Mekel and Ohayon - this is bad planning, I grant you that. Maccabi should have kept one of them, as a backup to a much better point guard.

    besides, I have a feeling you think the owners are obliged to provide a CSKA-like budget for the team, and lose tens of millions of dollars every year, just for your entertainment. You're wrong there as well, they don't owe you s**t. What you should expect them to do is to give their money to able managers, and not let failed managers like the troika waste their money. They should treat failed managers like they would in their private business - perform, or go home.
    about Iverson i can agree but only if he plays together with a power forward with defending-rebounding capacities. If your power forward is (the actual) Devin Smith the consequences are tragic.

    The renouncement to Weems and Smith (if the latter will be confirmed) frees a lot of money, Vuijic has a great opportunity and i hope he won't spoil it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronmercer80 View Post
    about Iverson i can agree but only if he plays together with a power forward with defending-rebounding capacities. If your power forward is (the actual) Devin Smith the consequences are tragic.

    The renouncement to Weems and Smith (if the latter will be confirmed) frees a lot of money, Vuijic has a great opportunity and i hope he won't spoil it.
    Smith is actually still a pretty good rebounder (although not as good a defender as he used to be). Iverson himself is also a good rebounder.
    And Smith will not be dismissed. Not this season at least. In fact Maccabi listed him to the league as well, and he played (and played well) in the cup final.

    I don't have any hopes from Vujcic. He was a great player, but he's a terrible manager.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMirror View Post
    Smith is actually still a pretty good rebounder (although not as good a defender as he used to be). Iverson himself is also a good rebounder.
    And Smith will not be dismissed. Not this season at least. In fact Maccabi listed him to the league as well, and he played (and played well) in the cup final.

    I don't have any hopes from Vujcic. He was a great player, but he's a terrible manager.
    if smith stays it will be a serious problem, he earns a lot of money and he is not an euroleague-level player any more. Apart from his terrible defence his attacking percentages worsen every year. He is an old player now with a broken knee and he grabs 1 million (excluding taxes) a year.

    If these are the news I'm afraid that another season will be thrown away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMirror View Post
    Then I have to disagree with you. With the budget Maccabi has, I think Iverson is a good backup center for the EL. Ohayon and Mekel are also good enough for the EL as backups. They are not good enough to be starters and have the team built around them, and that's the problem - they are starters in Maccabi. Iverson should have been a backup to Zirbes, and if Zirbes was functioning properly - that would have been a good plan. Mekel and Ohayon - this is bad planning, I grant you that. Maccabi should have kept one of them, as a backup to a much better point guard.

    besides, I have a feeling you think the owners are obliged to provide a CSKA-like budget for the team, and lose tens of millions of dollars every year, just for your entertainment. You're wrong there as well, they don't owe you s**t. What you should expect them to do is to give their money to able managers, and not let failed managers like the troika waste their money. They should treat failed managers like they would in their private business - perform, or go home.
    i guess u dont usually read my post. i never asked for cska,real,fener/ budegt.never i'm very realistic and i'm even proud we never spent crazy budget like those teams considering hour history.turkish teams and russians, are putting so much money on market that u cant rival with actual budget.
    i asked for an higher budget yes, not like those powerhoses. simply some more money to confirm best player u have every year, to bring a 1 mln salary coach, and (mainly) having better scouting, better managers, better eyes, even mainly a different bball phiosophy, that mans a much more european bball style.if they cant put more money, they should seacrch for a partner. if they cant find better managers, directors, scouts, thye should leave because this is he first ability for a team that is not cska or real.
    techincally writing a backups players like those mediocre palyers it would mean thet would play 15-120 min per game and yes, mekel ohayon iverson actual-pnini actual-smith seeley cant absolutely play so much minutes in el

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMirror View Post
    I don't have any hopes from Vujcic. He was a great player, but he's a terrible manager.
    so , same budget, same manager, ohayon or mekel in and u are hoping to have a better tem next year?

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    the budget is really too low, no one pretends to spend as cska and fener. But considering that they sell all the tickets for the whole season (and at a very high price!) the budget is ridiculous.

    Even greek teams (Greece still lives a deep crisis as everyone knows) spend more money. Mr Federman should sell the team and unfortunately it won't happen.

    Concerning Ohayon, come on, everybody in Europe laughs with this player. I remember an action in which he was alone and he wasn't able to handle the ball along the court, he gave it to Weems in order to organize the attack. He is not a playmaker, he is not a shooter, he is not a penetrator, he is not a good passer, he is NOTHING.

    Unfortunately it seems we'll see him again too next year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maccabeo View Post
    so , same budget, same manager, ohayon or mekel in and u are hoping to have a better tem next year?
    No, I don't. Because of the managers. I already said several times, Maccabi has no future as long as the troika is there.
    With the budget Maccabi already has today, there should be a much better team if Maccabi had good managers on the professional side.
    Ohayon or Mekel should remain as backup to a starting point guard better than either of them.

    But I don't expect Maccabi to have 12 EL stars in the roster. I'm realistic, Maccabi doesn't have the budget for that, and unlike you, I don't think the owners should lose their pants in order to keep me entertained. They don't owe me a cent. Apparently, you think otherwise - you think they owe you tens of millions of dollars every year from their own pockets... I often wonder how people have the gall to think like that.

    So what do I expect? I expect that the existing budget will be utilized much better, and managers that keep failing and wasting money will be gone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronmercer80 View Post
    the budget is really too low, no one pretends to spend as cska and fener. But considering that they sell all the tickets for the whole season (and at a very high price!) the budget is ridiculous.

    Even greek teams (Greece still lives a deep crisis as everyone knows) spend more money. Mr Federman should sell the team and unfortunately it won't happen.

    Concerning Ohayon, come on, everybody in Europe laughs with this player. I remember an action in which he was alone and he wasn't able to handle the ball along the court, he gave it to Weems in order to organize the attack. He is not a playmaker, he is not a shooter, he is not a penetrator, he is not a good passer, he is NOTHING.

    Unfortunately it seems we'll see him again too next year.
    So you, too, expect team owners to be obliged to personally lose tens of millions of dollars every year.
    With all due respect, who are you to make such a demand?
    Maccabi generates ~$20M a year (and probably less last year with the early exit from EL and EC). The budget is ~$30M this year, so the owners personally lose $10M. You think it's ridiculous? How much should the owners lose in order to not look ridiculous to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMirror View Post
    So you, too, expect team owners to be obliged to personally lose tens of millions of dollars every year.
    With all due respect, who are you to make such a demand?
    Maccabi generates ~$20M a year (and probably less last year with the early exit from EL and EC). The budget is ~$30M this year, so the owners personally lose $10M. You think it's ridiculous? How much should the owners lose in order to not look ridiculous to you?
    if u realized having no money even to get a better coach than edel and alla coaches added from goodes till today, u should for example searching for new partner

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    No, it means you should utilize your money better, and not let failed managers waste it inefficiently. a $30M is a dream budget for almost all teams in Europe, and most of the teams with the same budget (and even lower than than) use it better than Maccabi does. It won't make a difference if you have higher budgets with the troika, all that will happen is that they'll have more money to waste.


    So before any partner or budget raise, which (with all due respect) is not our mandate to demand, I would like to see the existing money given to able professional managers and scouts who know what they're doing.

    Unfortunately that is not going to happen... I don't understand the source of power Even and Vujcic have over the team owners, but apparently they have the power. The more they fail, the more powerful the owners make them... if the owners acted the same way in their private businesses - let failed managers waste their money without consequence - they would go bankrupt in a day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMirror View Post
    No, it means you should utilize your money better, and not let failed managers waste it inefficiently. a $30M is a dream budget for almost all teams in Europe, and most of the teams with the same budget (and even lower than than) use it better than Maccabi does. It won't make a difference if you have higher budgets with the troika, all that will happen is that they'll have more money to waste.


    So before any partner or budget raise, which (with all due respect) is not our mandate to demand, I would like to see the existing money given to able professional managers and scouts who know what they're doing.

    Unfortunately that is not going to happen... I don't understand the source of power Even and Vujcic have over the team owners, but apparently they have the power. The more they fail, the more powerful the owners make them... if the owners acted the same way in their private businesses - let failed managers waste their money without consequence - they would go bankrupt in a day.
    anyway, i dont think mta budget is currently 30.where did u officially read it?

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    considering new add simpson, apart budget and money, we can surely say that technically hey still continue making same mistakes. adding a fwd unable to shoot by the arch is classical mta error and totally far from actual bball style played in europe
    no way
    ps i still wait to know the official year expenses by mta. i think we are so far from 30mln as posted here by somebody

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