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    Quote Originally Posted by RONNEL View Post
    the assumption of thinking we have the best player in Asia is confirmed already. Gilas performed better than expected and to myself Im sure given the right Import we'll do better compare to last fiba world.
    I wont say the best, one of the best yes. To be the best you have to win a Fiba Asia tournament (Which gilas hasn't done in decades).
    Only China and Iran can claim that they are the best in some point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam (a.k.a.) Tuwid View Post
    Man, I respect your opinion... to each his own, kudos to you that you can strongly express your distrust for the Filipino's capability to accredit itself well in the field of international basketball without the excessive assistance through foreign or more aptly, naturalization process.

    One more, just on a curious note, it is really sad to be in the doldrums from the Asian basketball scene for the past 30 decades-- or an equivalent of 300 years. That really sucks so bad. If accurate, this dates back to the 1700's, when Dr. James Naismith, the Canadian whose claim to fame was fathering the sport of basketball, was still imaginatively swimming in his great, great, great, great, and still great, grandfather's nuts, nowhere near being born yet.
    Ha ha ha. My bad, that should have been 3 decades. I am a math dummy. Thank you for pointing that out.

    For the record, I don't distrust our players. I believe in them, that is why I was brought to this forum back in the days when Gilas 1 was at its inception. Ten years hence and I am still here and missing Sir Nardy . I just can't stand this wrong sense of nationalism - "pinoy pride" complex. The original statement of the post was " we have the best player". Sam, you are a respected poster here, would you take that statement hook line and sinker? I am a lurker, but at times, I post when I need to. If the original post said, "we have the best point guard in Asia", then I would agree because FIBA accorded that honor to Castro. But the best player? Or the best players? We have to remember that despite our resurgence, we have yet to win the FIBA championship or even the Asian games. We have good players and probably, within a decade (that is ten years right ? ) we will finally see our team blossom to its full potential. I know this sounds ludicrous in this day and age but IMHO , modesty and humility are still the very core values of sports. Magaling tayo, alam naman natin yan, di na kailangan pang magyabang. Trans: Don't state the obvious.
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    Nobody in asian basketball really cares if we occasionaly have the best guard, or forward or center or powerpoint presentation in asia. What we need is a national team that is inarguably the best basketball team in asia, as proven by the number of recent asian championships won, and world level performance. We cant even exceed china in that true impartial way of looking at things.

    If the gilas nt can win several fiba championships in the next ten years, the phillipines is good in basketball. If it cant, it is not that good. Nothing can be simpler or more convincing than that.

    When you cant win championships in tournaments called asian championships, you justify being a loser by saying "we went there to learn, gain experience or participate, or be gender sensitive, or achieve world peace, or promote human rights, od be the myth in the mythical five." For those who win gold medals and championship trophies, no explanation is necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by charmed View Post
    nobody in asian basketball really cares if we occasionaly have the best guard, or forward or center or powerpoint presentation in asia. What we need is a national team that is inarguably the best basketball team in asia, as proven by the number of recent asian championships won, and world level performance. We cant even exceed china in that true impartial way of looking at things.

    If the gilas nt can win several fiba championships in the next ten years, the phillipines is good in basketball. If it cant, it is not that good. Nothing can be simpler or more convincing than that.

    When you cant win championships in tournaments called asian championships, you justify being a loser by saying "we went there to learn, gain experience or participate, or be gender sensitive, or achieve world peace, or promote human rights, od be the myth in the mythical five." for those who win gold medals and championship trophies, no explanation is necessary.
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    sometimes you just need to believe.. when China is inferior in Asia and Philippines is arguably the best what do you think whats on their mind? someday they will finally defeat Philippines with their height and shooting, and be dominant in Asia. And see what happened, they produced a world class caliber center in the form of Yao Ming and even now theyre still competitive in world seen. I know you want us to be realistic on the reality we have but you also cant see the opportunity we can achieved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RONNEL View Post
    sometimes you just need to believe.. when China is inferior in Asia and Philippines is arguably the best what do you think whats on their mind? someday they will finally defeat Philippines with their height and shooting, and be dominant in Asia. And see what happened, they produced a world class caliber center in the form of Yao Ming and even now theyre still competitive in world seen. I know you want us to be realistic on the reality we have but you also cant see the opportunity we can achieved.
    Well keep working on it as thats the goal. I think in maybe 5-10 years or so Philippines will be dominant with their big men like Kai Sotto and Ethan Kirkness blossoming.

    China will always have NBA prospects as they produce good centers and NBA tends to source for foreign big men, guard spots are usually reserved for their own local talent so is unlikely to see Castro or Romeo in the NBA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RONNEL View Post
    the assumption of thinking we have the best player in Asia is confirmed already. Gilas performed better than expected and to myself Im sure given the right Import we'll do better compare to last fiba world.
    Quote Originally Posted by charmed View Post
    Nobody in asian basketball really cares if we occasionaly have the best guard, or forward or center or powerpoint presentation in asia. What we need is a national team that is inarguably the best basketball team in asia, as proven by the number of recent asian championships won, and world level performance. We cant even exceed china in that true impartial way of looking at things.

    If the gilas nt can win several fiba championships in the next ten years, the phillipines is good in basketball. If it cant, it is not that good. Nothing can be simpler or more convincing than that.

    When you cant win championships in tournaments called asian championships, you justify being a loser by saying "we went there to learn, gain experience or participate, or be gender sensitive, or achieve world peace, or promote human rights, od be the myth in the mythical five." For those who win gold medals and championship trophies, no explanation is necessary.
    Well-said!

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    and one more thing..

    I have so much respect to Gilas.. being national player means giving pride to your country and no one can ever take that away.
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    Let's face it. The entry of Australia and New Zealand will only make things more difficult for all other teams at the Asian level. Not even China would beat a full-force AU squad with Simmons, Thon Maker, and Dellavedova, and the AIS pipeline looks pretty set for the next five years. I'm looking forward to 2024 and onwards, though, as we'll have the personnel to at least match up with their height and skill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kerouac82 View Post
    Let's face it. The entry of Australia and New Zealand will only make things more difficult for all other teams at the Asian level. Not even China would beat a full-force AU squad with Simmons, Thon Maker, and Dellavedova, and the AIS pipeline looks pretty set for the next five years. I'm looking forward to 2024 and onwards, though, as we'll have the personnel to at least match up with their height and skill.
    on the good side this will raise the bar. if ever china or any other asian team will beat oz and nz, it means they will not just be a chopped liver when they go to the worlds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by digitalsuperman View Post
    on the good side this will raise the bar. if ever china or any other asian team will beat oz and nz, it means they will not just be a chopped liver when they go to the worlds.
    this view is right. It doesnt matter whether china or the tougher australia is in the way. Gilas has to go through, over, around, whatever to win. Kill australia. Kill spain. Kill the nba selection. Kill the ball boys and waterboys too just to be sure.

    Gilas will perform best when there are no other roads left to glory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by charmed View Post
    this view is right. It doesnt matter whether china or the tougher australia is in the way. Gilas has to go through, over, around, whatever to win. Kill australia. Kill spain. Kill the nba selection. Kill the ball boys and waterboys too just to be sure.

    Gilas will perform best when there are no other roads left to glory.
    no EJK please. lols. too violent man. but yeah, as they say only diamonds polish diamonds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by charmed View Post
    this view is right. It doesnt matter whether china or the tougher australia is in the way. Gilas has to go through, over, around, whatever to win. Kill australia. Kill spain. Kill the nba selection. Kill the ball boys and waterboys too just to be sure.

    Gilas will perform best when there are no other roads left to glory.
    chances of Gilas winning the Asia-Pacific region looks bleak. They blew their chance in 2015.. don't blame the officiating, the focus just wasn't there to win in a hostile environment. Imagine if we played fair and square, no imports, no Andray, just Junemar and Asi as our biggest guys.. we wouldn't even have a chance. And now we have a coach who's documenting every practice instead of focusing solely on the job to win just to maximise TV5's profits.. I know there's such a demand for this (gilas documentaries, kwentong gilas) but as a coach of a national team, i hope he focuses on his job more instead of capitalising on Filipino basketball fans' curiosity. Snapping instagram stories while your players are practicing coach? are you for real? Filipino passion for basketball is fascinating, but sometimes it's getting out of hand.. companies (NBA.. Filipino heritage week? lol) including a local one are preying on it. Boomers, China and Tall Blacks doesn't have these kind of soap operas. Sobrang daming non-sense, they have to stop acting like they're USA Basketball.. stop acting like celebrities.

    Now i know it's still possible to beat China and New Zealand, but for now, as long as this Philippine basketball system can't produce disciplined coaches and players in the caliber of Ben Simmons, Thon Maker and Patty Mills, let's be happy for second place, realistically speaking =) Peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kerouac82 View Post
    Let's face it. The entry of Australia and New Zealand will only make things more difficult for all other teams at the Asian level. Not even China would beat a full-force AU squad with Simmons, Thon Maker, and Dellavedova, and the AIS pipeline looks pretty set for the next five years. I'm looking forward to 2024 and onwards, though, as we'll have the personnel to at least match up with their height and skill.
    To be honest bro, height lang talaga.. skills, sobrang light years ahead tayo sa Australia, and perhaps some other top-ranked countries. International coaches and scouts just can't see potential in us kasi nga dehado talaga sa height. It's understandable, iba talaga yung mahaba hakbang at matangkad yung tipong isusubo mo nalang yung bola sa ring, which apparently these lucky Aussies have, plus throw in their EDUCATED coaches and state of the art facilities. Our best player right now is terrence or maybe jason castro, but for every jason castro and terrence romeo, theres a guy in NCAA division 1 who's WAAY better, younger and more upside.. and theres a guy in australia who has the same skillset in a bigger/taller frame. Closest matchup talaga China.. we're slightly ahead skills wise but they're too damn tall. Anyway, i hope coaches in the Phils comes up with a plan that could implement a program like AIS, and have players under this program immune from the bullshit commercialisation of UAAP, NCAA and the obsolete PBA. Why is this feasible for the benefit of the national team? look at Australia, their NBL is sh*T, and they do nothing about it because it's the way it is, but they placed 4th (close to bronze) because they source their talents (ALL LOCALS, take note) outside of their sh*tty league. If you're a good aussie player, you play in the NBA, if you're subpar you play in the sh*tty NBL. Maybe that's what we should do in the Phils too, let the sh*tty guys play in the PBA

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    Quote Originally Posted by charmed View Post
    Nobody in asian basketball really cares if we occasionaly have the best guard, or forward or center or powerpoint presentation in asia. What we need is a national team that is inarguably the best basketball team in asia, as proven by the number of recent asian championships won, and world level performance. We cant even exceed china in that true impartial way of looking at things.

    If the gilas nt can win several fiba championships in the next ten years, the phillipines is good in basketball. If it cant, it is not that good. Nothing can be simpler or more convincing than that.

    When you cant win championships in tournaments called asian championships, you justify being a loser by saying "we went there to learn, gain experience or participate, or be gender sensitive, or achieve world peace, or promote human rights, od be the myth in the mythical five." For those who win gold medals and championship trophies, no explanation is necessary.
    lol! parang linya ni coach chot yan! kung hindi sisi sa players, ivvalidate yung pagkatalo! lol #losermentality

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    Quote Originally Posted by adrian12695 View Post
    To be honest bro, height lang talaga.. skills, sobrang light years ahead tayo sa Australia, and perhaps some other top-ranked countries. International coaches and scouts just can't see potential in us kasi nga dehado talaga sa height. It's understandable, iba talaga yung mahaba hakbang at matangkad yung tipong isusubo mo nalang yung bola sa ring, which apparently these lucky Aussies have, plus throw in their EDUCATED coaches and state of the art facilities. Our best player right now is terrence or maybe jason castro, but for every jason castro and terrence romeo, theres a guy in NCAA division 1 who's WAAY better, younger and more upside.. and theres a guy in australia who has the same skillset in a bigger/taller frame. Closest matchup talaga China.. we're slightly ahead skills wise but they're too damn tall. Anyway, i hope coaches in the Phils comes up with a plan that could implement a program like AIS, and have players under this program immune from the bullshit commercialisation of UAAP, NCAA and the obsolete PBA. Why is this feasible for the benefit of the national team? look at Australia, their NBL is sh*T, and they do nothing about it because it's the way it is, but they placed 4th (close to bronze) because they source their talents (ALL LOCALS, take note) outside of their sh*tty league. If you're a good aussie player, you play in the NBA, if you're subpar you play in the sh*tty NBL. Maybe that's what we should do in the Phils too, let the sh*tty guys play in the PBA
    IMO our sports officials not just only in basketball but sports in general here in our country are too narrow minded to even thinking of establishing a sports institution similar to the AIS of aussies. That role is supposed to be done by NSA, PSC or whatever acronym the F**k they are called lols those are too politically ill groups who really doesn't care about the athletes. We are just lucky enough that we have SBP for basketball but how about the other sports and with this current administration too it looks like sport is being snub big time they are too busy with our problems in drugs lols all they have done so far is the incentives to the olympians. They didn't know sports could be the solution to our illegal drugs problem the one that can save the kids on the streets using solvents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thegloryball View Post
    IMO our sports officials not just only in basketball but sports in general here in our country are too narrow minded to even thinking of establishing a sports institution similar to the AIS of aussies. That role is supposed to be done by NSA, PSC or whatever acronym the F**k they are called lols those are too politically ill groups who really doesn't care about the athletes. We are just lucky enough that we have SBP for basketball but how about the other sports and with this current administration too it looks like sport is being snub big time they are too busy with our problems in drugs lols all they have done so far is the incentives to the olympians. They didn't know sports could be the solution to our illegal drugs problem the one that can save the kids on the streets using solvents.
    really tough to be a third world country, of course a gov't of a 3rd world will prioritize more important things first than sports which does not do anything for economic development.. success of a country in sports is just a mere reflection of their development as a whole.. so what do we expect from the Philippines really? just like our country, our basketball standing in the world is struggling for some compelling reason even if our people play it 365 days a year. I hate to say this but I think basketball development in the Philippines has plateaued because of the system ingrained within our culture.. lets say we improve, okay good, but other countries are improving too every single year and we could play catch up until forever and we'll never be better than them, or beat them at least on a consistent basis, most we can pull off are moral victories or chamba.

    Change the system entirely, not improve the current system we have, that's the key. I've said this in previous posts before, as long as rookies in the PBA are 26-28y/o, and players aged 22-25 are still playing in an overhyped collegiate league driven by egomaniac alumni and commercialised by various media companies, we will never improve. As long as NIKE and adidas Philippines are giving KIDS who hasn't proven anything yet special treatment for the sake of their marketing strategy, we will never improve. As long as we have a parents who accept bribes to send their kid to a specific school, we will never improve. As long as we have a coach who unnecessarily uses his team as protagonists in a dramatised documentary, we will never improve. As long as we can't produce our own bigmen a that meet the height and skill requirement to compete in the highest level of basketball, we will keep on fooling ourselves whenever we hire naturalised centers and claim them as our own. As long as we produce undersized wingmen who are one dimensional (can't drive because too small --- trigger happy), we will keep on running the Dribble Drive motion offense, just without the "DRIVE" because our slashers who are supposed to finish can't even finish and settles for those ill-taken jumpshots, dapat dribble drive atras motion offense tawag eh, okaya iso ROmeo, iso Castro, iso DrayBlatche offense, those sound fitting to the type of basketball we run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adrian12695 View Post
    To be honest bro, height lang talaga.. skills, sobrang light years ahead tayo sa Australia, and perhaps some other top-ranked countries. International coaches and scouts just can't see potential in us kasi nga dehado talaga sa height. It's understandable, iba talaga yung mahaba hakbang at matangkad yung tipong isusubo mo nalang yung bola sa ring, which apparently these lucky Aussies have, plus throw in their EDUCATED coaches and state of the art facilities. Our best player right now is terrence or maybe jason castro, but for every jason castro and terrence romeo, theres a guy in NCAA division 1 who's WAAY better, younger and more upside.. and theres a guy in australia who has the same skillset in a bigger/taller frame. Closest matchup talaga China.. we're slightly ahead skills wise but they're too damn tall. Anyway, i hope coaches in the Phils comes up with a plan that could implement a program like AIS, and have players under this program immune from the bullshit commercialisation of UAAP, NCAA and the obsolete PBA. Why is this feasible for the benefit of the national team? look at Australia, their NBL is sh*T, and they do nothing about it because it's the way it is, but they placed 4th (close to bronze) because they source their talents (ALL LOCALS, take note) outside of their sh*tty league. If you're a good aussie player, you play in the NBA, if you're subpar you play in the sh*tty NBL. Maybe that's what we should do in the Phils too, let the sh*tty guys play in the PBA
    We do have 6'2" - 6'8" players, it's just that they are trained in the wrong position all their lives, and thus they lack the skills needed for the international level. Skills should be assessed on players of the same height (looking at it this way, we are not light years ahead of Australia). But we should not have such a height disadvantage if only our tall players are taught guard skills. 7 footers are another thing (that's where the naturalization comes in). Kamaka Hepa is a nice example of having a big with excellent guard skills. Aside from his height, you will notice that athletically he is not that different from Pinoys. What sets him apart is the small skills in a big body, and this is because he worked on those skills since he started basketball. Bigs take longer/harder to learn and smalls have a lot of advantages when players are young, so short-term thinkers tend to neglect training the bigs. This should not be the case.

    Before Dirk Nowitzki, the thinking was that 7-footers can not be shooters/play in the perimeter. But ever since he showed it can be done, we now have a lot of 7-footers who can play small. It opened the minds of trainers/parents that if they train bigs early, it can be done. Right now in the Philippines, most think that there can be no really tall Pinoy that can play like a guard. This is not true. All it takes is patience and persistence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RONNEL View Post
    sometimes you just need to believe.. when China is inferior in Asia and Philippines is arguably the best what do you think whats on their mind? someday they will finally defeat Philippines with their height and shooting, and be dominant in Asia. And see what happened, they produced a world class caliber center in the form of Yao Ming and even now theyre still competitive in world seen. I know you want us to be realistic on the reality we have but you also cant see the opportunity we can achieved.
    Nope! China was already contending with us even way back. I think we are only ahead by 1 or 2 decades than them, but when they finally joined, they were always contending against us.
    The other way around is that, we lost a step in trying to move forward to contend in the worlds in a consistent basis, and eventually lost our natural spot with China as the two best in the region. Iran, had replaced us in that sphere. Prior to that, it was Korea who actually replaced us. Well, actually, Korea, and China had always been up there together with us. that is the proper view here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thegloryball View Post
    IMO our sports officials not just only in basketball but sports in general here in our country are too narrow minded to even thinking of establishing a sports institution similar to the AIS of aussies. That role is supposed to be done by NSA, PSC or whatever acronym the F**k they are called lols those are too politically ill groups who really doesn't care about the athletes. We are just lucky enough that we have SBP for basketball but how about the other sports and with this current administration too it looks like sport is being snub big time they are too busy with our problems in drugs lols all they have done so far is the incentives to the olympians. They didn't know sports could be the solution to our illegal drugs problem the one that can save the kids on the streets using solvents.
    infairness to current administration they already start program to develop our sports http://sports.mb.com.ph/2017/01/05/d...rts-institute/ ang tanong na lang is if it is going to be successful? i hope it will.but peping should step down how many years na ba nasa pwesto to? i'm not here to talk about politics but im following sports since i was a kid i know duterte is a sports person i think davao is building a sports complex/ facility napagusapan pa nga that they might host the sea games.

    I'm really tired seeing philippines getting less and less medal in international competion when i was 6 or 7 years old i already start watching the olympics since then i never missed any international tournament olympics, asian games or sea games and any sports tournament basta may philippine team sad sa sea games lang pakonte konte medal natin. i'm hoping we can be on the top again our athles are capable they just need support.
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