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Thread: Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. IV

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    Quote Originally Posted by sajubeads View Post
    Looks like even Asian Coaches were able to figure out Gilas basketball even without the benefit of scouting report from our resident snitch. With that massacre in Lebanon
    Chot Reyes POOR Coaching and non adjustment, made Tab Baldwin look like a genius. Abueva non performace this Asia Cup sort of valudate and vindicated Tab for his non inclusion during OQT. Fajardo with all his dominance in the PBA is an antithesis of how a FIBA bigman should play, slow footed, slow to react on PNR and while with good shooting touch was primarily and exclusively utilized as a back to the basket guy even though he has range for the pick and pop.

    While it is painfula that we were assf#@$# by Korea but it was a blessing in disguise in that it beought Chot and Gilas back to earth , showed them that much has to be done and pickup system no conctete program from SBP and PBAs noncooperation, Philippine basketball is still not par against the Asia Pac best
    For me, Fajardo has the skill, size and strength to be effective in FIBA vs certain teams. He can score in the post, he's a very good rebounder, he decent in running hard and early seals. The problem is, he's totally the opposite of what DDO needs from a player. Its just a totally bad fit. If you won't run any special sets for him, might as well not put him on the lineup. You also need a defensive scheme that will hide him vs quicker bigs.

    In a right situation, I can see him play 15mins, score some points, grab some boards and have the opposing big in foul trouble. Then our guards can attack the rim easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trig View Post
    For me, Fajardo has the skill, size and strength to be effective in FIBA vs certain teams. He can score in the post, he's a very good rebounder, he decent in running hard and early seals. The problem is, he's totally the opposite of what DDO needs from a player. Its just a totally bad fit. If you won't run any special sets for him, might as well not put him on the lineup. You also need a defensive scheme that will hide him vs quicker bigs.

    In a right situation, I can see him play 15mins, score some points, grab some boards and have the opposing big in foul trouble. Then our guards can attack the rim easier.
    He is as effective as han dejun of china..
    To becomes Asia's Best, we need to compete against the World's Best..

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    FIBA is adopting NBA's travelling rules:

    https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/8/...ge-gather-step

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    Quote Originally Posted by engwan View Post
    FIBA is adopting NBA's travelling rules:

    https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/8/...ge-gather-step
    Just adapt all of the freaking NBA rules. It is the premier league in the world after all and it is the most watched. Don't understand why there's a difference in the rules between fiba and the nba. All basketball players aspire to be in the NBA.

    Winning the NBA championsip might even be considered by some as more important than winning the gold in the Olympics or some Fiba tournament.

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    NBA rules are profit-driven and it's only right that FIBA who serves as the international authority in basketball should be a separate entity. If anything, it's more appropriate for the PBA to be the one to adopt NBA rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IshmaelM View Post
    Practically speaking, Greg and Lassiter should be there instead of Jap and JF. But they are close to untouchable since theyve been Gilas for a long time. JF also is the face of the league.
    Which sadly, also summarizes the state of Philippine basketball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reamily View Post
    He is as effective as han dejun of china..
    Exactly...JF is the Han deJun of Gilas. Massive imposing presence inside on offense but flat footed on defense.

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    Quite unfair to JF since he was bothered by injury. Imagine being fielded in a knockout game and it showed, missed lay ups and silly fouls. Definitely no rhythm at all.

    Kindly take a look at JF in FIBA Worlds and last OQT and that people is how Chot and Tab utilized a healthy JF. That is elite opposition and I could say a couple of levels up than Korea.

    I say we still need JF until SBP can find a better replacement.

    We are too reactive here. I maybe guilty of this also. Where are the people clamoring that CBC is better fit for Gilas than Troy? Where is CBC when we needed shooting against Korea? I could say Troy could be better with his length he could probably bother those Korean shooters. See my point here? CBC is good. We cannot rely on just one game to judge a player's capability and also trying to look down on a player who is not even on the line up.

    Another point here Whether it's Troy or CBC the coach will know how to utilized each players strength.

    I just watched earlier today Lebanon and Korea and Korea isn't running anything complicated on offense and defense. Lebanon played them tough on D and was wise to Pick and Roll, Pick and Pop, cuts, ball screens, screen on top of key for the bigman to go to the paint and get a pass.( See Oh Se Keun) and I see this more than a couple of times, player set a screen at the perimeter to make way for a player to go to the paint and if there is no option to pass, the screener runs to the 3 point line to receive a pasd. They run these all the time kaya nahilo na players natin.

    Khatib attack the paint ( which our team did also in the 1st quarter)and somehow got under the skin of #13 player of Korea ( Lim probably but not sure ). He pushed Khatib and gets a T or a foul for it and this Korean player missed a couple of 3's probably because of loss on concentration. This is something that Ping and RDO can do and we miss it badly in this game and Korea are missing their 3's here and I will give credit to Lebanon's defense.

    Commentator's views on South Korea: They are 1 dimensional probably he meant they got no real inside presence ( Ratliffe is waiting to fix that ) but for me they are still formidable because of their team play and shooting.

    I am not raising my hope much in the home and away this November unless the PBA really helps Gilas. Taiwan and Japan are motivated more than ever to beat us and Korea showed them how it is done.



    Quote Originally Posted by sajubeads View Post
    Exactly...JF is the Han deJun of Gilas. Massive imposing presence inside on offense but flat footed on defense.

    Quote Originally Posted by reamily View Post
    He is as effective as han dejun of china..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brown Bones View Post
    Quite unfair to JF since he was bothered by injury. Imagine being fielded in a knockout game and it showed, missed lay ups and silly fouls. Definitely no rhythm at all.

    Kindly take a look at JF in FIBA Worlds and last OQT and that people is how Chot and Tab utilized a healthy JF. That is elite opposition and I could say a couple of levels up than Korea.

    I say we still need JF until SBP can find a better replacement.

    We are too reactive here. I maybe guilty of this also. Where are the people clamoring that CBC is better fit for Gilas than Troy? Where is CBC when we needed shooting against Korea? I could say Troy could be better with his length he could probably bother those Korean shooters. See my point here? CBC is good. We cannot rely on just one game to judge a player's capability and also trying to look down on a player who is not even on the line up.

    Another point here Whether it's Troy or CBC the coach will know how to utilized each players strength.

    I just watched earlier today Lebanon and Korea and Korea isn't running anything complicated on offense and defense. Lebanon played them tough on D and was wise to Pick and Roll, Pick and Pop, cuts, ball screens, screen on top of key for the bigman to go to the paint and get a pass.( See Oh Se Keun) and I see this more than a couple of times, player set a screen at the perimeter to make way for a player to go to the paint and if there is no option to pass, the screener runs to the 3 point line to receive a pasd. They run these all the time kaya nahilo na players natin.

    Khatib attack the paint ( which our team did also in the 1st quarter)and somehow got under the skin of #13 player of Korea ( Lim probably but not sure ). He pushed Khatib and gets a T or a foul for it and this Korean player missed a couple of 3's probably because of loss on concentration. This is something that Ping and RDO can do and we miss it badly in this game and Korea are missing their 3's here and I will give credit to Lebanon's defense.

    Commentator's views on South Korea: They are 1 dimensional probably he meant they got no real inside presence ( Ratliffe is waiting to fix that ) but for me they are still formidable because of their team play and shooting.

    I am not raising my hope much in the home and away this November unless the PBA really helps Gilas. Taiwan and Japan are motivated more than ever to beat us and Korea showed them how it is done.
    thats why it hurts most beaten by a non elite team, beaten by a kontrapelo...Our real potential isnt gauged han de jun is 12 10 guy in china for good 20 mins same for fajardo in his full form i think it's a much better than blatche having 25 per 36 minutes..

    For record junkies how is the record of Philippine national team against japan at Home, I think no Philippine team even a PBA one won in Qatar(but Yaseem Musa era there is over)..This is to manage everyones expectations..


    Home and Away is a watered down thing, although since Asai has least nba euroleague players it has the less impact, but its different dynamic, teams DO perform better at home..
    To becomes Asia's Best, we need to compete against the World's Best..

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    Will the current avian virus affect the sponsorship of Gilas? Just saying, sports and business are very related nowadays!

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    Quote Originally Posted by trig View Post
    For me, Fajardo has the skill, size and strength to be effective in FIBA vs certain teams. He can score in the post, he's a very good rebounder, he decent in running hard and early seals. The problem is, he's totally the opposite of what DDO needs from a player. Its just a totally bad fit. If you won't run any special sets for him, might as well not put him on the lineup. You also need a defensive scheme that will hide him vs quicker bigs.

    In a right situation, I can see him play 15mins, score some points, grab some boards and have the opposing big in foul trouble. Then our guards can attack the rim easier.
    Cant really say as we havent seen him go toe to toe with any of the Asian bigs.....so far, he isnt even considered to be one of the top 5 Asian bigs in any FIBA Asian competition

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    During this tournament for me if we are gonna put the best 12 lineup my lock in are

    castro romeo and aguilar

    the rest needs to be evaluated.

    Sorry but im dissapointed with Abueva`s performance.


    Yes DDO is our main strategy but is it working??? We need a bit of physicality from players.

    Gilas 2.0 is my ideal team pattern the players to them.

    Please adjust in the Home and Away.

    Laban Pilipinas!!! Proud supporter here.

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    after the the 1st game abueva angas is gone nag pigil na e. but yea he was a dissapointment on this tournament.

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    Coach- Tab Baldwin
    *Pringle, Thompson, Tenorio
    Lassiter, Wright
    Norwood, Ramos, *Devance
    Edu/Blatche/ CS
    Fajardo, Aguilar, *Slaughter
    *- These players have strong case to play as locals
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