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    Lietuva beat Usa in the final and become universiada champions for second time! This was far from our most tallented teams we have sended to universiada.2013 and 2015 wete better tallent wise.But when i saw in the final thar our player that broken his foot in semifinal was not in the hospital ,but in wheelchair near our bench i thought to myself this team is real team it got a shot.That episode shown me and let me understood why they went all the way ( i watched only final game).With such togetherness no mountain is high enough! Usa basketball mountain falls too sometimes.

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    Maybe somebody knows where i can see or download lithuanian team games ftom this universiada?

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    Congrats to the Lithuanian youngsters. They beat a good Purdue team that was on a roll. Always a good thing when a basketball crazed country's love and devotion is rewarded with a gold medal. Eurobasket gold not impossible this summer as well in my opinion.

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    Yay! Lithuania wins the Gold again for the first time since 2007.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawshank View Post
    Maybe somebody knows where i can see or download lithuanian team games ftom this universiada?
    Some of Lithuania games (hope they still work):

    SF: https://livestream.com/FISU/events/7635232 (that's the game with the bad injury to #10 Miniotas with 1' remaining)
    QF: https://livestream.com/FISU/events/7635222
    Prelim Round: https://livestream.com/FISU/events/7660982

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    Quote Originally Posted by carlo View Post
    , for USA/Purdue a good result considering the current roster profile.
    I don't know, Kansas set the benchmark a couple of years ago by showing that a single college can win this tournament so all other will be judged by this. Also the fact that they were huge 15+ favorites and lost doesn't look good either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carlo View Post
    Some of Lithuania games (hope they still work):

    SF: https://livestream.com/FISU/events/7635232 (that's the game with the bad injury to #10 Miniotas with 1' remaining)
    QF: https://livestream.com/FISU/events/7635222
    Prelim Round: https://livestream.com/FISU/events/7660982
    Thanks alot links works !

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    Quote Originally Posted by usagre View Post
    Historically there have always been shenanigans when it comes to eligibility in this tournament. The late great Drazen Petrovic participated three times in '83, '85, and '87. Valdemaras Chomicius hit the gold medal game winning shot in 1985 and he was 26 years old. Arvydas Sabonis was on that team as well. These players all met the requirements to participate I guess.
    in universiada85 ussr sended not only sabonis and chomicius it was almost entire ussr men eurobasket1985 winner team Volkov,Valters,Tichonenko young Marciulionis and so on..Except for Tkacenko (was too old) and maybe player or two missing only because of age.I believe in universiada can play men u-27 or similiar to that.I recently got a copy of that game,quality is very bad cam rip,but still you can see what that game was about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawshank View Post
    in universiada85 ussr sended not only sabonis and chomicius it was almost entire ussr men eurobasket1985 winner team Volkov,Valters,Tichonenko young Marciulionis and so on..Except for Tkacenko (was too old) and maybe player or two missing only.I believe in universiada can play men u-27 or similiar to that.I recently got a copy of that game,quality is very bad cam rip,but still you can see what that game was about.
    Wow I didn't know there were loaded like that. Belosteny was on the University team too I think.

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    What a wonderful tournament.

    Shitty politics block Taiwan from getting many international events so this was a major treat for us. Everyone embraced the spirit and had a great time. I went three days and saw nothing but high level competitive basketball. To be honest, I was shocked by how great it was.

    Today Latvia outlasted Serbia ina hard fought competitive match. Lithuania then shocked the USA with a gritty, tough outcome! What a great moment seeing them pull off the W. Moments happened in this tournament where you remembered, "holy shit, yeah, these are just kids!". When Lithuania won it was a real moment of exuberance that left a real impact.

    Other countries see these events quite often, not us in Taiwan, this was a really great moment. It is my hope that children and parents will remember these games and be inspired to embrace sport and athletic competition more so than in the past. That would be the greatest lasting impact....
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    Quote Originally Posted by usagre View Post
    I don't know, Kansas set the benchmark a couple of years ago by showing that a single college can win this tournament so all other will be judged by this. Also the fact that they were huge 15+ favorites and lost doesn't look good either.
    Kansas had imo a bit stronger and more experienced roster than Purdue, and added two players (Nic Moore of SMU and Julian DeBose of FGCU) to fill open positions. Purdue lost Caleb Swanigan from its 2016-17 roster with no additions other than its own freshmen. Anyway, I'm sure a single college with maybe a couple of additions can win at WUG and be more competitive than a today's NCAA All-Stars team.

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    Unlike the men's tournament, USA/Maryland women though finishing 5-1 didn't win any kind of medal.
    Unfortunately, Maryland's wasn't the same 2016-17 roster, missing two key players (both 1st round WNBA draftees) and the addition of Michigan State's Jankoska was not enough especially in terms of size. Quite a young roster, with some promising players (Charles, Fraser, Watson) but without a big controlling the boards.
    Here, in the women's tournament, USA Basketball really missed an opportunity to send an All-Stars team made of the best college prospects (also in a future Sr NT perspective!). What's strange is that USA Basketball did select a U23 team, but just to send it to that U24 Tournament in Japan, where btw it beat WUG's gold & silver medal teams, even without its best players! A great missed opportunity in all senses, imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carlo View Post
    Anyway, I'm sure a single college with maybe a couple of additions can win at WUG and be more competitive than a today's NCAA All-Stars team.
    That's a great point. I think in general that is the case that if you take a top existing team amateur or professional and just fine tune it with a couple of upgrades but don't drastically change the makeup, you will have a better team than an all star team just thrown together.

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    I didn't expect our team would win so confident in a final game against Americans. Better team work and 17 offensive rebounds was a huge thing in the game - great job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by locdogjr View Post
    What a wonderful tournament.

    Shitty politics block Taiwan from getting many international events so this was a major treat for us. Everyone embraced the spirit and had a great time. I went three days and saw nothing but high level competitive basketball. To be honest, I was shocked by how great it was.

    Today Latvia outlasted Serbia ina hard fought competitive match. Lithuania then shocked the USA with a gritty, tough outcome! What a great moment seeing them pull off the W. Moments happened in this tournament where you remembered, "holy shit, yeah, these are just kids!". When Lithuania won it was a real moment of exuberance that left a real impact.

    Other countries see these events quite often, not us in Taiwan, this was a really great moment. It is my hope that children and parents will remember these games and be inspired to embrace sport and athletic competition more so than in the past. That would be the greatest lasting impact....
    I was surprised such a solid crowd attended the games. It was a great tournament because of them as well. It's always a pleasure to see basketball being cared in one or another way.

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    The debate on the use of single colleges at the WUG has led me to an "historical" finding I’d like to share.

    Long before the first US team was sent to the WUG (1965), a case happened of a single college which could have represented USA back in 1959 at the WUG in Turin, Italy.

    There is no confirmation from anywhere in the USA on this case, afaik, but it surfaced from the Italian press of that time (La Stampa Sera, Turin, 08/22/1959, page 7 & Tuttosport, Turin, 08/23/1959).

    The 1st Universiade (2nd WUG) was organized in Turin, Italy, and set to be held August 26 – Sept 7, 1959.

    World University Games had been previously played in 1957 (Paris) but the 1959 games were the first under the new label and attended by a record 43 nations and 1400 athletes worldwide. They were originally planned to be held in Rome, but the venues there were under preparation for the 1960 Olympics and the choice went to Turin. Unfortunately, the 1959 WUG dates overlapped with the 3rd Pan American Games in Chicago and no US athletes attended the Turin Universiade other than a couple of fencers.

    Basketball tournament, that accounted as many as 16 invited nations was also affected by the decision of the US official body (AAU) to not send another team as one would already be competing at the Pan Am Games (but f.i. Brazil did participate in both events and actually USA could have sent at least 10 other competitive teams).

    The Turin Universiade organization however had a creative idea, why not to invite a strong US college alone representing the nation?

    Here is what told by the Italian press.

    Contacts were established with the Tennessee State University in Nashville (led by the legendary coach John McLendon to three consecutive NAIA national titles). Italian press reported that the club was one of the best among US colleges and its “mostly black players” were regarded as the “Harlem Globetrotters of colleges” for their talent.

    The participation was reportedly confirmed but there were financial problems behind it (trip funding). As a matter of facts a solution couldn’t be reached in time and unfortunately the expected arrival of the US college came to nothing.

    What about Tennessee State team at that stage? Compared to the 1958-59 champs, the Tigers had lost their highly prized trio of seniors, as well as coach McLendon, who had left to pursue a new career in the National Industrial Basketball League (NIBL/AAU). Dick “Skull” Barnett, their leading scorer and three time All-American had joined the pros (NBA, ABL and again NBA) for a long brilliant career. John “Rabbit” Barnhill joined McLendon and his NIBL club (later becoming pro in the ABL) and then played in the NBA as well as in the ABA & EBA. Jim Satterwhite played in a minor pro league, the Midwest Basketball League.

    How good would have been the 1959-60 team? Though not at the same level of the 1959 champion team, it actually was still strong, and all of its top players went later to the pros. Very likely would have been a memorable WUG participation.

    The newly appointed coach was Harold Hunter, former assistant to McLendon.

    Most notable players were:

    - #53 George Finley, a 7-footer (would have been the tallest at the Turin Universiade, by far) who would play for the Tigers until 1961 and then join the ABL after being drafted in the 4th round by NBA;

    - #44 Ben Warley (6-7, some sources 6-5 or 6-6) a good shooter and powerful rebounder who left TSU just before the end of 1959-60 season to join McLendon in the NIBL, from where he was drafted in the 1st round by NBA in 1961. He played as a pro first in the ABL then for several years in the NBA, ABA and EBA;

    - #41 Gene Werts (6-6), who graduated in 1962 after missing the previous season for illness and would play shortly in the MBL pro league before pursuing a successful coaching career;

    - #43 Mel “Trick” Davis (6-5), a forward who played one and half year in the ABL after college and then joined the Harlem Globetrotters for several years;

    - #52 Rossie Johnson (6-4), who was drafted in the 5th round by NBA in 1961 but joined the ABL;

    - #31 Porter Meriwether (6-2), a soph in the 1959-60 team, was drafted by NBA in 1962 and played one season there.

    The Tigers would finish the 1959-60 season with a 28-5 record and a 3rd place at the NAIA tournament. Three of them, Johnson, Meriwether and Werts were named to the NAIA All-Star team that competed at the 1960 Olympic trials and upset the powerful NCAA champ Ohio State in the first day of the tournament. Meriwether was then named as an alternate of the famous 1960 Olympic team.

    http://www.tnstate.edu/library/documents/1960yb.pdf (pages 164-167)
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