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    Quote Originally Posted by interxavierxxx View Post
    If we had our naturalized players, Blatche or Douthit, it would have been more closer (or perhaps we could steal a win). Our team have so many problems on offense: zero inside game, no set plays (HORNS, PnR, PnP, Triangle, etc.), barely any fast breaks, and poor outside shooting. How the hell did we lose only by 10?
    That's basketball for you. How did India, which beat you, lose to Jordan by almost 60 points?

    Philippines played hard and physical against the Chinese bigs, and that disrupted the Chinese offensive rhythm. Chinese players are too dogmatic and inflexible. The Filipinos already knew China would try inside-out every possession, even when it's obvious it shouldn't be done, especially with Zou Yuchen. In the North Korean (another super short team) warmup game China already had these kind of problems, but Philippines play a much different style defensively. Plus the outside shots were not falling for China (partly because of the Filipino defense), and Philippines were able to grab many rebounds to keep the game close. Again I thought it was a great learning experience for the Chinese players to play against this type of defense, as in the CBA and games before this they haven't been challenged like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sinobball View Post
    That's basketball for you. How did India, which beat you, lose to Jordan by almost 60 points?

    Philippines played hard and physical against the Chinese bigs, and that disrupted the Chinese offensive rhythm. Chinese players are too dogmatic and inflexible. The Filipinos already knew China would try inside-out every possession, even when it's obvious it shouldn't be done, especially with Zou Yuchen. In the North Korean (another super short team) warmup game China already had these kind of problems, but Philippines play a much different style defensively. Plus the outside shots were not falling for China (partly because of the Filipino defense), and Philippines were able to grab many rebounds to keep the game close. Again I thought it was a great learning experience for the Chinese players to play against this type of defense, as in the CBA and games before this they haven't been challenged like this.
    I think the biggest drawback of your system is that your players have a tendency to trust the 'system' too much. Had it not been for our smaller size, it would have been very problematic for your team as we have a tendency to resort to 'street ball' antics to try to win the game.

    China has always been a systematic team. I've rarely seen a Chinese player jack up wild shots like Westbrook or Curry with the shot clock barely less than 20 seconds or take daredevil slashes to the hoop without coordinating a set play. Those kind of things work for the Americans but--sadly--not for us.

    Fair enough, I envy your country's ability to train big men from scratch like that 18-year-old 6'11 dude.
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    The big man development is related to the "dump the ball to the big man" approach used by most Chinese coaches, that's how youngsters develop, getting enough touches. The downside of this approach is perimeter players aren't developed as well. If China didn't have big men perhaps our guards and forwards would be better, but now the system favors big men. The 6'11'' dude Hu Jinqiu only started playing basketball 4 years ago and he has now developed into the best player on this team and one of the best players in this tournament. It's a lazy approach but effective against inferior/shorter competition. But Chinese bigs don't usually encounter this kind of defense:




    Which is why it's a very good experience. I remember last year Filipino players (Calvin Abueva was his name?) also tried these against players much taller. At least I respect your players for not giving up without a fight, and this is something that Chinese big men should get used to and mentally prepare for.
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    Hur Jae alternates his shooters to keep the offense sustained for Korea's favor. They always get up and run as much as possible and utilize a lot of mis-directions and curled cuts to shoot the three.

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    Lee Seung-Hyun / Jeong Hyeo-Geun
    Lee Jung-Hyun / Heo Ung
    Cho Sung-Min / Heo Il-Young
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    Monday’s Top 5 Players at the FIBA Asia Challenge 2016

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    Again we can trade ideas, Chinese knew how to train their big men, while us our guard skills are innate from the moment their handle the ball, the big are trained to put the ball in the hoop, while us tried to shoot it from the distance.. if its too far, learn to dribble it to the rim..
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    Default Group E Scenarios

    o - CHN 3-1
    o - TPE 3-1
    o - JOR 3-1
    o - IND 2-2
    x - PHI 1-3
    x - KAZ 0-4

    Remaining Matches


    JOR - PHI
    CHN - TPE
    KAZ - IND

    a) JOR, CHN, KAZ

    1 - CHN 4-1 (1-0)
    2 - JOR 4-1 (0-1)
    3 - TPE 3-2
    4 - IND 2-3
    x - PHI 1-4 (1-0)
    x - KAZ 1-4 (0-1)

    b) JOR, CHN, IND


    1 - CHN 4-1 (1-0)
    2 - JOR 4-1 (0-1)
    3 - TPE 3-2 (1-0)
    4 - IND 3-2 (1-0)
    x - PHI 1-4
    x - KAZ 0-5

    c) JOR, TPE, KAZ

    1 - JOR 4-1 (1-0)
    2 - TPE 4-1 (0-1)
    3 - CHN 3-2
    4 - IND 2-3
    x - PHI 1-4 (1-0)
    x - KAZ 1-4 (0-1)

    d) JOR, TPE, IND


    1 - JOR 4-1 (1-0)
    2 - TPE 4-1 (0-1)
    3 - IND 3-2 (1-0)
    4 - CHN 3-2 (0-1)
    x - PHI 1-4
    x - KAZ 0-5

    e) PHI, CHN, KAZ


    1 - CHN 4-1
    2 - JOR 3-2 (1-0)
    3 - TPE 3-2 (0-1)
    4 - IND 2-3 (1-0)
    x - PHI 2-3 (0-1)
    x - KAZ 1-4

    f) PHI, CHN, IND

    1 - CHN 4-1
    2 - JOR 3-2 (1-0)
    3 - TPE 3-2 (0-1)
    4 - IND 2-3 (1-0)
    x - PHI 2-3 (0-1)
    x - KAZ 0-5

    g) PHI, TPE, KAZ

    1 - TPE 4-1
    2 - CHN 3-2 (1-0)
    3 - JOR 3-2 (0-1)
    4 - IND 2-3 (1-0)
    x - PHI 2-3 (0-1)
    x - KAZ 1-4

    h) PHI, TPE, IND

    1 - TPE 4-1
    2 - JOR 3-2 (1-1, +38)
    3 - CHN 3-2 (1-1, +12)
    4 - IND 3-2 (1-1, -50)
    x - PHI 2-3
    x - KAZ 0-5
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    Group F Scenarios

    z - IRI 4-0
    z - KOR 4-0
    o - JPN 2-2
    o - IRQ 1-3
    o - QAT 1-3
    o - THA 0-4

    Remaining Matches

    IRQ - THA
    IRI - KOR
    QAT - JPN

    Winner of IRI-KOR tops the group.

    a) IRQ, QAT

    o - IRQ 2-3
    o - JPN 2-3
    o - QAT 2-3
    x - THA 0-5

    QAT by 1-9

    3 - IRQ 2-3 (1-1, +15)
    4 - JPN 2-3 (1-1, -7)
    x - QAT 2-3 (1-1, -8)
    x - THA 0-5

    QAT by 10-32

    3 - IRQ 2-3 (1-1, +15, 1-0)
    4 - QAT 2-3 (1-1, +15, 0-1)
    x - JPN 2-3 (1-1, -30)
    x - THA 0-5

    QAT by 33+

    3 - QAT 2-3 (1-1, +16)
    4 - IRQ 2-3 (1-1, +15)
    x - JPN 2-3 (1-1, -31)

    b) IRQ, JPN

    3 - JPN 3-2
    4 - IRQ 2-3
    x - QAT 1-4
    x - THA 0-5

    c) THA, QAT

    3 - QAT 2-3 (1-0)
    4 - JPN 2-3 (0-1)
    x - THA 1-4 (1-0)
    x - IRQ 1-4 (0-1)

    d) THA, JPN

    3 - JPN 3-2
    o - IRQ 1-4
    o - QAT 1-4
    o - THA 1-4

    THA by 1-9

    4 - IRQ 1-4 (1-1, +8)
    x - THA 1-4 (1-1, +7)
    x - QAT 1-4 (1-1, -15)

    THA by 10+

    4 - THA 1-4 (1-1, +8)
    x - IRQ 1-4 (1-1, +7)
    x - QAT 1-4 (1-1, -15)
    At last, the New Jedi Order has returned!
    They shall liberate Philippine basketball
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    Quote Originally Posted by reamily View Post
    Again we can trade ideas, Chinese knew how to train their big men, while us our guard skills are innate from the moment their handle the ball, the big are trained to put the ball in the hoop, while us tried to shoot it from the distance.. if its too far, learn to dribble it to the rim..
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    Is Kazemi injured and out of the tournament?
    Iran massacring South Korea without him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sinobball View Post
    Is Kazemi injured and out of the tournament?
    Iran massacring South Korea without him.
    Yep, he is most probably out for the rest of the tournament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mohsena2631 View Post
    Yep, he is most probably out for the rest of the tournament.
    What a pity! Good luck for Arsalan.Also our team B lost our best player-Zhao Dapeng.

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    I dont think that Zhao Dapeng is best Chinese player here

    Tomorrow will star 1/4 finals
    Korea - Taipei
    Iraq - China
    India - Iran
    Jordan - Japan

    upd
    i dont understand what mean 'The status of star forward Liu Cheng, however, remains uncertain'
    Is he injured or what?
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    Strongly cut eyebrow, but how serious I dont understand, please translate who understand Chinese!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mika Hakinen View Post
    I dont think that Zhao Dapeng is best Chinese player here

    Tomorrow will star 1/4 finals
    Korea - Taipei
    Iraq - China
    India - Iran

    Jordan - Japan

    upd
    i dont understand what mean 'The status of star forward Liu Cheng, however, remains uncertain'
    Is he injured or what?
    http://www.fiba.com/asia/challenge/2...nals-breakdown



    https://www.instagram.com/gavin_liu05/
    Strongly cut eyebrow, but how serious I dont understand, please translate who understand Chinese!
    Why not?Zhao is a new star and has a great performance in last season in CBA.

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    Yes Liu Cheng is out of the tournament. It's not a head injury, he had a large laceration near his eye that required stitches.


    Liu Cheng's injury is at the ~85 minute mark. Not a dirty foul by Tao Hanlin, just an awkward fall.
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    About this Chinese team my opinion:
    Zou Youchen - best player
    Hu Jinqui - best player in tournament
    He TianJu - best all-around player
    Liu Zhixuan - best defensive player
    Zhao Yanhao - most talented player

    For me, Zhao Dapeng - a good role-player with an excellent three-point throw, good for the Chinese NT and Guansha system.

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    Iraq win China Crazy game!

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    I'm sure you are Chinese not Russian。

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    Congratulations to Iran, as expected they dominated the tournament, even without Kazemi.

    Great showing by Jordan too, impressive records by Sam Daghlas in his rookie campaign.

    South Korea was not very impressive, I understand they are missing some players but they are completely dismantled by Iran not just once. Still I respect them for being resilient enough to make the final.

    Iraq and India had good performances and proved they shouldn't be taken lightly. These two teams beat China because they are very good rebounding teams, Iraq leads the tournament in offensive rebounds and is 3rd overall (behind Iran and Jordan), India is 4th overall, and both teams killed China on offensive boards.

    Japan had a so-so showing considering their level, but this is pretty bad if they are serious about fielding a team in 2020 Tokyo Olympics. They are also missing some players like South Korea.

    Chinese Taipei depends on Quincy Davis way too much and after he ran out of gas they dropped 5 in a row (though Liu Cheng's injury also played a factor).

    Thailand is improving, and Philippines is as usual weak without imports. Kazakhstan had a bad tournament. Qatar has severely regressed as the number of Africans dropped, although this is their "B" team I believe.

    China was slightly disappointing, but the overall record was OK considering two players (He Tianju and Zhao Dapeng) got injured. Some of the players are exposed badly and shouldn't ever wear a China uniform, but this is a great tournament overall for Hu Jinqiu (1997) who should be promoted to the "A" team ASAP. Liu Zhixuan also demonstrates he could play on the "A" team, while Zou Yuchen needs to work much harder. The other players at this stage don't belong on the "A" team, although Zhao Yanhao (1997), Fan Ziming (1998) and maybe Yuan Shuai (1994) are worth investing.
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    Congrats to Iran!

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