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Thread: European NT Coefficient Ranking

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    After a long time, I have updated this ranking for 2017, of course still missing the Eurobasket results. Some of the bonus points have been altered, also as a result of the coming changes to the system. A lot of 'technical scores' due to the absence (to my knowledge) of any action for many teams in 2015. I am thinking of changing the cycle to reflect competitions instead of years in the next edition.

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    Netherlands is 6th ?
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    They are, since all Eurobasket trams haven't got any points yet for this year The final rankings will be completed after Eurobasket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Modis View Post
    Netherlands is 6th ?
    Better let's get drunk again


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mindozas View Post
    Better let's get drunk again
    round 2. Its Saturday night
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    Update after the Eurobasket games. I have slightly changed the bonus points. What do you think?


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    Spain coming ahead of Serbia in both 2016 and 2017, while winning bronze and Serbia winning silvers makes little sense. I suppose you are focusing more on wins and losses, then the actual end result.
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    Hey guys, thank you both for your input.

    @LuDux. Yes, Fiba have their own ranking but it is very flawed. It involves very old achievements that cannot be considered current. Looking at the ranking you provided is enough to make this obvious.

    @CoachZ. It is true that sometimes having many victories in the early phases of a tournament distorts the final score a bit, even after an early qualification. See Lithuania and Greece for example this year. This is something that can be changed by increasing the bonus points for playing a knock-out match. Regarding the example you mentioned, though, Spain-Serbia, keep in mind that Spain was both times 3rd because they lost to the final winner, whereas Serbia only beat the eventual 4th-placed team. We cannot know what would happen in a Spain-Serbia game during those competitions.

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    I get that, but it is like saying that Spurs should be ahead of Cavs, since they lost to the champs

    I think that the final placement should still carry more weight, maybe not a huge amount but it's very curious to have a lower placed team twice ahead in consecutive years.
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    Hmm okay. I think that one main factor here is that every victory gives 20,000 points, regardless of the match. Probably I should lower this fixed value and hence have higher weight on the bonus points for the match importance. Not sure if this would make Serbia have a better score than Spain, but it wouldn't hurt to try and see how the two systems compare.

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    Didn't realize it's not FIBA rankings thread

    Quote Originally Posted by nikosextra View Post
    Hey guys, thank you both for your input.

    @LuDux. Yes, Fiba have their own ranking but it is very flawed. It involves very old achievements that cannot be considered current. Looking at the ranking you provided is enough to make this obvious.
    It's ranking of last 20 years, it's supposed to involve very old achievements

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikosextra View Post
    Hmm okay. I think that one main factor here is that every victory gives 20,000 points, regardless of the match. Probably I should lower this fixed value and hence have higher weight on the bonus points for the match importance. Not sure if this would make Serbia have a better score than Spain, but it wouldn't hurt to try and see how the two systems compare.

    If the goal of your rankings is showing who the bet team is, then as you said both Serbia and Spain won and lost against the same teams in the top 4, so the other results should obviously distinguish between them. What are the bonus points you used?

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