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    Well the better team won. Or a better coach. Babrauskas showed why he is the captain of Rytas once again. 0 talent, but hell of a worker, incredible fight and devotion. Too bad majority of others did not share that feeling.
    Valanciunas is still too young to lead a team in crucial games. Although he is usually useless (more or less) against physically stronger opponents.
    I was not a big fan of referees as well. They were not biased, subjective or whatever, just there was absolutely no contact allowed, every single touch was whistled, while Rytas plays a physical, athletic basketball. Nevertheless, it was up to Rytas to adapt, but they did not.
    Luck was also on valencia's side, we missed a lot of open shots, tripped or felt in some mystical cases..Valencia made 3 difficult shots during the Rytas' break in the 4th quarter over Samardzinski's hands or during the last seconds of shot clock. Even Newley had a great game for valnecia , despite being completely useless the last 2 years in Rytas.

    Nevertheless, Valencia was better today, by far. They deserved to be in the final. Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madmax View Post
    Congrats to Valencia for taking advantage of clueless refs and even more clueless Rytas team and good luck in the final. As for Rytas, I sincerely hope Dzikic won't be here next season - slovenians can take him, we won't mind
    lol, well I believe at one point in the future, I'll be able to use this thread as an example, if you guys really insist

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    I can defenetly agree there was some small help to Valencia from refs, but not crutial. Valecia had some dropouts, but they controled outcome from start to end. Rytas also had some bad luck with Rice injury as he is only guy who can break defense regulary. In finals Valencia could have some problems with spaceing

    there will be no other semis on Eurosport. why this morons do basketball when they don't give damn about it
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    Spartak was kicked from PBL playoffs a couple of days ago ( LOL at playoffs with only Top4 teams participating ), so they should be motivated as hell, it's their only chance left to win EL spot. Khimki can afford to lose .

    From my own rather egoistic reasons I want Spartak to lose to bring Halperin back to Maccabi, but got a feeling it won't happen today.
    Khimki has a long and decorated history of losing already won games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Panco View Post
    Then, please, take (roll?) him back to KRKA or some NCAA team. He is not capable of leading a higher level team. Maybe he will be a good coach, but he is not yet.
    L. Rytas is not a higher level team..
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    Quote Originally Posted by pohani komarac View Post
    I can defenetly agree there was some small help to Valencia from refs, but not crutial. Valecia had some dropouts, but they controled outcome from start to end. Rytas also had some bad luck with Rice injury as he is only guy who can break defense regulary. In finals Valencia could have some problems with spaceing

    there will be no other semis on Eurosport. why this morons do basketball when they don't give damn about it
    it's no coincidence that spanish teams are usually doing so well in ULEB competition - they are basically untouchable and any kind of contact is whistled agaisnt their poor opponents. And it's not even excuse making, since Spain NT and clubs always benefitted from such refereeing and always were in the centre of controversy when playing against tough physical squads like Greece for example. Some teams are used to such pussy refereeing standards, while others need whole game to adjust and when they do it's too late already...

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    WTF with the refs ? They push Khimki in every way possible. Not a single FT given to Spartak for the whole half That non call on Kashirov close to the end was epic ...

    Anyways, Khimki got the abilities to lose games even with refs generous help. The only concern for Spartak lack of bench: they may just run out of gas to Khimki extra-wide rotation

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    Fun game, both teams choking badly, luckiest team won.
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    Rytas - Valencia

    Valencia is faster team and used to play up tempo game in ACB league, but Rytas obviously had to pay the price of their schedule. They came out without intesnity and obviously couldn't match Valencia's fresh legs. I don't know if it's Džikič foult, but Rytas' damn zone defence was one of the factors. Also you can't expect much when your best passer is Steponas Babrauskas. That leads to horrible offense and all these missed threes by Rytas is a normal thing because no-one creates in this team. Another key moment - Valančiūnas performance. He choked big time, but thing happens for 19 year olds. Having this in mind, I'm suprised Rytas still had a little chance. And I agree we can't blame only Džikič when Rytas playing Rasič as a point guard all season long. The guy can't see the court, can't pass and shoots only completely opened. Rice is not better, only can create his own shot.
    On other hand, Newley was bricking two years in a row in Rytas and now he was somehing like 100% from FG. Anyway, I was pretty accurate saying this Rytas team can't expect too much, specially when their best players is non factor that given day.

    And yes there was a feeling Rytas playing against USA dream team though it's only Valencia, they had two Eurocups just as Rytas...But you can't blame refs.

    Congrats for Khimki! I would like to see Fridzon in my team.

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    Congrats to Khimki. Spartak had its chances, but kudos to Khimki on having cojones to hit those big threes & to turn -10 into +4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madmax View Post
    it's no coincidence that spanish teams are usually doing so well in ULEB competition - they are basically untouchable and any kind of contact is whistled agaisnt their poor opponents. And it's not even excuse making, since Spain NT and clubs always benefitted from such refereeing and always were in the centre of controversy when playing against tough physical squads like Greece for example. Some teams are used to such pussy refereeing standards, while others need whole game to adjust and when they do it's too late already...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kwijibo View Post
    Haters gonna hate hahahaha
    it's not hating my catalan friend, just stating a simple truth...everyone knows these double standards from the refs when playing spanish teams and unless the name of your club is PAO or CSKA you will most certainly get screwed by them. It's much easier to beat spanish team in a series of games, where biased refs can't so blatantly kill one team multiple times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madmax View Post
    it's not hating my catalan friend, just stating a simple truth...everyone knows these double standards from the refs when playing spanish teams and unless the name of your club is PAO or CSKA you will most certainly get screwed by them. It's much easier to beat spanish team in a series of games, where biased refs can't so blatantly kill one team multiple times.
    I'm spanish! And valencia is not guilty about the kid fouls of valanciunas who lost the game. And Spain haven't got favour of refs. If our NT throw more FT the reason is that we're simply better
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    You see lithuanian basketball schooll play and stood like a man.Spanish school is too play and fall around couple times on the ground like girl.I have heard a rumour that fiba are trying to make a new very important rule in this years olimpics: every time teams player will stand to close to gasol and navarro is a faul...

    I want to ask spanish fans: is it true that in your schools before you can play profesionaly footbal,basketball and other team sports,firstly you have to have go through acting,floping school and make the examines in how to "fall like dead" ? ;D I just love when in footbal barcelona meets real,what a match,what a football for 20-25minutes and what acting melodrama for other 65-70minutes,just loved watching every time with my popcurns .I feel that next year in oscar ceremony film real vs barcelona gonna win in best foreign film category.What performances from both sides,even deniro and brando wuold be proud

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    I just can't stop laughing about any single loser that come up with excuses when their teams lose (always) against a spanish team.
    Go get some balls and play, don't blame refs when you are not good enough to win.

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    Well, Rytas won the small final 71:62 against Spartak. Basically Rytas took advantage of deeper rest before the game.

    Other than that this is probably the most horrible and no doubt ugliest BB team of Rytas I've ever seen (and I've seen all of Rytas teams). If Džikič is staying I'm not watching Lrytas next year and I'm not looking forward to see chucker and ball hog Seibutis in NT.
    Off course, having Rasič anywhere around your team is also a disaster. Lithuanian club BB is in deep crisis. Both Žalgiris and Rytas can't play basketball this season and a third place in Eurocup is basically underachievement for Rytas having in mind their history. So No thanks for Džikič (though I'm not saying he's the only one to blame).
    Last edited by Straight forward; 04-15-2012 at 03:00 PM.

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    Eurosport 2 Int has been covering Eurocup all season long and they only showed 30 something minutes of first semifinal game..
    now there won't even be a live coverage of final game..
    I mean wtf?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    Well, Rytas won the small final 71:62 against Spartak. Basically Rytas took advantage of deeper rest before the game.

    Other than that this is probably the most horrible and no doubt ugliest BB team of Rytas I've ever seen (and I've seen all of Rytas teams). If Džikič is staying I'm not watching Lrytas next year and I'm not looking forward to see chucker and ball hog Seibutis in NT.
    Off course, having Rasič anywhere around your team is also a disaster. Lithuanian club BB is in deep crisis. Both Žalgiris and Rytas can't play basketball this season and a third place in Eurocup is basically underachievement for Rytas having in mind their history. So No thanks for Džikič (though I'm not saying he's the only one to blame).
    by roster and invested money it's not underachivment to finish behind valencia and khimki
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    Planinic is on fire : a walking miss-match nightmare for Valencia . Markovic is too short to defend him, De Colo is well ... De Colo

    Very good broadcast quality from Eurosport2 , yep it's broadcast in Israel somehow, probably we got US stream.

    Pretty good commentators, both are Americans I think. I wish the same level for EL games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    Well, Rytas won the small final 71:62 against Spartak. Basically Rytas took advantage of deeper rest before the game.

    Other than that this is probably the most horrible and no doubt ugliest BB team of Rytas I've ever seen (and I've seen all of Rytas teams). If Džikič is staying I'm not watching Lrytas next year and I'm not looking forward to see chucker and ball hog Seibutis in NT.
    Off course, having Rasič anywhere around your team is also a disaster. Lithuanian club BB is in deep crisis. Both Žalgiris and Rytas can't play basketball this season and a third place in Eurocup is basically underachievement for Rytas having in mind their history. So No thanks for Džikič (though I'm not saying he's the only one to blame).
    You are 3rd in Eurocup and you are talking aboute how bad your team is ? If Džikić was bad coach he wouldnt won Eurochallenge , be in ABA league F4 with Krka and you wouldnt reach Eurocup F4 . Rašić was one of the best Partizan player two years ago when Partizan reached Euroleague F4 , he is one of the best players in Serbian NT that was second in Europe and 4 in world but he isnt good for you . Valencia is a better team and you cant blame players and coach for lossing against better opponent .

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