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    Quote Originally Posted by nardy View Post
    its part of the program to promote basketball to everybody .... how to play basketball correctly. People to know their National Players. Its one one the things which Coach Rajko failed to accomplish but was part of his objectives.
    thats good to know sir nardy.thank you for always answering our questions here no matter how stupid our questions are

    although I would assume that there is a slim chance they'll be in singapore this time around since you mentioned theres a need to expose the gilas2 boys to FIBA tournaments. so i guess FIBA tournaments are more prioritized than exhibition games this time around.

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    we Filipinos really need to outlearn a number of bad habits which is already in our system even from the time we were the Kings of Asia Basketball:

    phil.national team vs nba all-stars

    By Ferdie Villas in Toyota Tamaraws PBA Basketball Team



    Jose Ma Bonifacio Escoda
    Excerpt from my forthcoming 380-page(more or less) = Basketball History :Philippines


    National team versus NBA Stars

    This June marked the first time in Philippine history that a NBA team to set upon the Philippine soil and play against Filipinos.

    The sensational Pete Maravich of Detroit Piston who was earlier mentioned to be included failed to come.

    The all-star team made up only of eight members came to play against the Puerto Rico–bound team in a three game series at Araneta coliseum. They were Gail Goodrich (L.A. Lakers, 6’1”); Elgin Baylor, (L.A. 6’5”), third greatest scorer in NBA history; Earl “the Pearl” Monroe (6’3”,195 lbs., star player of New York Knicks);Jim Price(6’3”,L.A. Lakers);Dave Bing (6’3”, shootingest Detroit Piston); Geof Petrie (6’4”, averaged 24 points in 79 games in NBA); and Elvin Hayes (6’9” 235 lbs., one of the best rebounders and shooters of NBA).

    Jim Price then was Jerry West’s apparent heir.The local fans never expected a victory by the local boys but were just eager to witness their idols compete against the best cagers of the world.

    Before the games started, one of the NBA players the American NBA professional cagers admitted to the press that they were surprised to find Metropolitan Manila as a modern city. The admitted they were expecting to see banana plantations and palm trees.


    Playing against the best in Asia never intimidated the American pros. Elgin Baylor boasted with this statement, “no amateur team in the world can beat us.” The Filipino players felt challenged.

    The locals wanted to disprove such words and gave their best but failed. The first two games were handily won by the pros, 104-92 and 117-94.

    The locals could not find their range, the shooting was a mess. Their famed switching man to man wouldn’t work and the whole team’s timing was off. Their lead could be much higher if the pros didn’t clown in the closing minutes.

    The first two turned out to be learning lessons rather than tune-up games for the World Cup. The locals learned that they should not dribble too much, not just to stand around and wait for the ball, not to hold on to the ball long enough to let your guard crowd you, and not to linger in the backcourt after scoring.

    With their national pride at stake and with the lessons learned they gave all their best were in a winning form, but collapsed in the third quarter just losing by six points losing, 99-93.

    During the fourth encounter the boys gained confidence and appeared they could defeat their immortal opponent. With their national pride hurt the tune-up games turned to a personal affair.

    During the succeeding two games, the Filipinos, with improved defense patterns, were able to answer the giant’s point per point. But, again, only collapsing in the third quarter and losing with wider margins the score 110-97 and 118-104 in the last game.

    The fans were surprised to see Fernandez’s lay-up easily blocked by the shortest NBA player, 5’9” Calvin Murphy. Murphy also surprised the crowd with his dunk shots cause not even the tallest Filipino could do such. But the gutsy Arnaiz was able to slip through the tall burly Americans with his drives and high looping shots. But the Filipinos appeared dwarfs who were just learning the sport.

    Jaworski prove himself as the best local cager when playing against tall and tougher foreign teams. He was the most consistent among the locals in the defense and offence and topped the statistics with 18.38 points per game.

    Games played fg ft tp average

    Jaworski 6 53 4 110 18.38
    Adornado 3 24 2 50 16.66
    Mariano 6 37 2 76 12.06
    Fernandez 6 37 1 75 12.50
    Paner 6 34 6 74 12.33
    Arnaiz 6 22 2 46 7.66
    Guidaben 6 20 3 45 7.16
    Cleofas 6 12 0 24 4.60
    Regullano 6 11 3 23 3.88
    Reynoso 6 10 3 23 3.83
    Martirez 6 7 2 16 2.66
    Melencio 5 4 3 11 2.20

    (fg=field goals, ft= free throws. tp=total points ,source, Sports World Mag)

    Elgin Baylor saw something in Jaworski’s playing style, something most local fans fail to see. The NBA veteran had all praises for the Big J saying, “He’s not rough but just plays the international brand of basketball.”

    Adornado, after coming from the sick bay, impressed some foreigners including a NBA agent. After one of the games the identified agent of players in the NBA approached Adornado, asked whether he was interested in being included in NBA’s list of drafts.

    Sports scribes who were excited in taking pictures and get ambush interviews outside the players dug outs overheard it. Adornado who was being mobbed by fans and reporters and bent focus on the coming Puerto Rico games failed to give the American a definite answer.

    In one of the dailies, the story ran that Adornado was being recruited for a European team. On the other hand, Adornado was never approached again.

    Adornado goes down to history as the first Filipino to be offered such. Players and the rest of the Filipinos didn’t know that being in the draft choice in the NBA was a great honor enough.
    LABAN KUNG LABAN! KAYA NATIN PILIPINAS!
    Mabuhay ang TEAM PILIPINAS !!!!


    NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE!
    THE DREAM LIVES ON !!!!


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    Our players and coaches must also realize the importance of avoiding being called for a Technical Foul, the penalty of 2 free throws and ball possession is really a game changer. We should realize even how bum the call might be, there is no use complaining and that one must just continue playing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nardy View Post
    Our players and coaches must also realize the importance of avoiding being called for a Technical Foul, the penalty of 2 free throws and ball possession is really a game changer. We should realize even how bum the call might be, there is no use complaining and that one must just continue playing.
    indeed. complaining on referee calls is like digging deeper for your own grave. coach chot i guess learned his lesson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nardy View Post
    its really difficult to find sponsors for sports events and teams these days. Careline, Nokia, Energen and Discovery Suites had already indicated that they would no longer continue sponsoring our National Teams. At the last SEA Games, if MVP did not step-up and shoulder the expenses more than half of the Philippine delegation to Jakarta would have failed to participate ..... aside from the private sector even the government is streamlining their support as now they would just support athletes identified as world-beaters. Look at the D-League despite finishing an unexpected 2nd place in the last conference, FREEGO is leaving the league, same thing with PC Gilmore.

    Business must probably really that bad as even my nephews are having a hard time soliciting sponsors for their graduation yearbook. However we are not alone, a number of countries are having financial problems. http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/new...0615/arti.html
    how about SMC sir? were they offered to co-sponsor the NT?

    Quote Originally Posted by nardy View Post
    actually its not MVP but the closeness of Noli Eala and Moying Martelino had established with the higher-ups of FIBA at Switzerland.

    that is what I am saying we were now advised by FIBA-Asia that they'll strictly implement that Filipinos born outside the Philippines secure a passport before age 15.
    so does that mean that fiba doesnt respect a country's citizenship laws?
    I am greatly concerned about this case. Even Greg Slaughter would not be allowed to play if this will be the norm now.
    that citizenship at age 15 is not really applicable to us...fvck politics

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    Quote Originally Posted by weward View Post
    how about SMC sir? were they offered to co-sponsor the NT?
    this im curious.i hope smc does. even if for just the U16 and U18 teams.please eala.please..

    Quote Originally Posted by weward View Post
    so does that mean that fiba doesnt respect a country's citizenship laws?
    I am greatly concerned about this case. Even Greg Slaughter would not be allowed to play if this will be the norm now.
    that citizenship at age 15 is not really applicable to us...fvck politics
    i wouldn't call it disrespect.but i think they tightening the rules since our citizenship laws are quite different. they're still allowing pinoys born outside only if they had acquired passport at a specified age of on or before 15(im not sure, have to backread).

    that was why sir nardy posted months ago that if a player who wants to play for the national team has to acquire passport at the age of 15. i think he posted it on all threads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nardy View Post
    we Filipinos really need to outlearn a number of bad habits which is already in our system even from the time we were the Kings of Asia Basketball:

    phil.national team vs nba all-stars

    By Ferdie Villas in Toyota Tamaraws PBA Basketball Team



    Jose Ma Bonifacio Escoda
    Excerpt from my forthcoming 380-page(more or less) = Basketball History :Philippines


    National team versus NBA Stars

    This June marked the first time in Philippine history that a NBA team to set upon the Philippine soil and play against Filipinos.

    The sensational Pete Maravich of Detroit Piston who was earlier mentioned to be included failed to come.

    The all-star team made up only of eight members came to play against the Puerto Rico–bound team in a three game series at Araneta coliseum. They were Gail Goodrich (L.A. Lakers, 6’1”); Elgin Baylor, (L.A. 6’5”), third greatest scorer in NBA history; Earl “the Pearl” Monroe (6’3”,195 lbs., star player of New York Knicks);Jim Price(6’3”,L.A. Lakers);Dave Bing (6’3”, shootingest Detroit Piston); Geof Petrie (6’4”, averaged 24 points in 79 games in NBA); and Elvin Hayes (6’9” 235 lbs., one of the best rebounders and shooters of NBA).

    Jim Price then was Jerry West’s apparent heir.The local fans never expected a victory by the local boys but were just eager to witness their idols compete against the best cagers of the world.

    Before the games started, one of the NBA players the American NBA professional cagers admitted to the press that they were surprised to find Metropolitan Manila as a modern city. The admitted they were expecting to see banana plantations and palm trees.


    Playing against the best in Asia never intimidated the American pros. Elgin Baylor boasted with this statement, “no amateur team in the world can beat us.” The Filipino players felt challenged.

    The locals wanted to disprove such words and gave their best but failed. The first two games were handily won by the pros, 104-92 and 117-94.

    The locals could not find their range, the shooting was a mess. Their famed switching man to man wouldn’t work and the whole team’s timing was off. Their lead could be much higher if the pros didn’t clown in the closing minutes.

    The first two turned out to be learning lessons rather than tune-up games for the World Cup. The locals learned that they should not dribble too much, not just to stand around and wait for the ball, not to hold on to the ball long enough to let your guard crowd you, and not to linger in the backcourt after scoring.

    With their national pride at stake and with the lessons learned they gave all their best were in a winning form, but collapsed in the third quarter just losing by six points losing, 99-93.

    During the fourth encounter the boys gained confidence and appeared they could defeat their immortal opponent. With their national pride hurt the tune-up games turned to a personal affair.

    During the succeeding two games, the Filipinos, with improved defense patterns, were able to answer the giant’s point per point. But, again, only collapsing in the third quarter and losing with wider margins the score 110-97 and 118-104 in the last game.

    The fans were surprised to see Fernandez’s lay-up easily blocked by the shortest NBA player, 5’9” Calvin Murphy. Murphy also surprised the crowd with his dunk shots cause not even the tallest Filipino could do such. But the gutsy Arnaiz was able to slip through the tall burly Americans with his drives and high looping shots. But the Filipinos appeared dwarfs who were just learning the sport.

    Jaworski prove himself as the best local cager when playing against tall and tougher foreign teams. He was the most consistent among the locals in the defense and offence and topped the statistics with 18.38 points per game.

    Games played fg ft tp average

    Jaworski 6 53 4 110 18.38
    Adornado 3 24 2 50 16.66
    Mariano 6 37 2 76 12.06
    Fernandez 6 37 1 75 12.50
    Paner 6 34 6 74 12.33
    Arnaiz 6 22 2 46 7.66
    Guidaben 6 20 3 45 7.16
    Cleofas 6 12 0 24 4.60
    Regullano 6 11 3 23 3.88
    Reynoso 6 10 3 23 3.83
    Martirez 6 7 2 16 2.66
    Melencio 5 4 3 11 2.20

    (fg=field goals, ft= free throws. tp=total points ,source, Sports World Mag)

    Elgin Baylor saw something in Jaworski’s playing style, something most local fans fail to see. The NBA veteran had all praises for the Big J saying, “He’s not rough but just plays the international brand of basketball.”

    Adornado, after coming from the sick bay, impressed some foreigners including a NBA agent. After one of the games the identified agent of players in the NBA approached Adornado, asked whether he was interested in being included in NBA’s list of drafts.

    Sports scribes who were excited in taking pictures and get ambush interviews outside the players dug outs overheard it. Adornado who was being mobbed by fans and reporters and bent focus on the coming Puerto Rico games failed to give the American a definite answer.

    In one of the dailies, the story ran that Adornado was being recruited for a European team. On the other hand, Adornado was never approached again.

    Adornado goes down to history as the first Filipino to be offered such. Players and the rest of the Filipinos didn’t know that being in the draft choice in the NBA was a great honor enough.

    Thanks for this old news paper article Sir Nardy.

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    A younger Jaworki, Adornado, and Fernandez could have been an NBA Caliber Player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digitalsuperman View Post
    this im curious.i hope smc does. even if for just the U16 and U18 teams.please eala.please..



    i wouldn't call it disrespect.but i think they tightening the rules since our citizenship laws are quite different. they're still allowing pinoys born outside only if they had acquired passport at a specified age of on or before 15(im not sure, have to backread).

    that was why sir nardy posted months ago that if a player who wants to play for the national team has to acquire passport at the age of 15. i think he posted it on all threads.
    yep passport before the age of 16 for fil-foreigners, that was fine-tuning of the rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by weward View Post
    how about SMC sir? were they offered to co-sponsor the NT?



    so does that mean that fiba doesnt respect a country's citizenship laws?
    I am greatly concerned about this case. Even Greg Slaughter would not be allowed to play if this will be the norm now.
    that citizenship at age 15 is not really applicable to us...fvck politics
    the explanation given is to sort of standardized or syncronized everything at some point as each country has different Citizenship laws and interpretation. Its because if they just follow each country's laws to the letter, it would be fair to some then unfair to others. For example in the case of the United Kingdom, their citizenry extends upto their former colonies as they are still part of the British Commonwealth and that would give the UK to much leeway to choose its athletes all over the world.

    Since Greg already played in previous FIBA organized tournaments and was deemed eligible that time, he is safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swish#20 View Post
    yep passport before the age of 16 for fil-foreigners, that was fine-tuning of the rule.
    fine tuning targeting filipinos is it?hehe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lebron23 View Post
    A younger Jaworki, Adornado, and Fernandez could have been an NBA Caliber Player.
    That's the point of coming out with a FIBA Asia championship caliber team every year. With Jawo, Bogs and Mon retired, the next generation of national team players can showcase their NBA caliber talents (not the NBA-caliber bad attitude that always gets our players and coaches in serious trouble). Who knows? Several recent San Beda and Ateneo players may be these players.

    By the way, have you noticed the "higante" effect that we were always talking about in here for years? Alaska, with its industrious, quick, aggressive and good-shooting seven footer is already transforming the team's local bigs into useful mobile players. To Pinoys, if a seven footer can do it all on the local floor, local 6'7"-6'10" surely can do it all too. Eman, the perennially useless one, may yet turn into a minutes-productive center. Just one excellent naturalized NBA center in the national team would be enough to transform the young bigs in the team to FIBA Asia level.

    Many of our local national team players may not be able to originate excellence on their own. But they certainly can copy excellence in fundamentals that are being demonstrated right before their eyes. Slaughter should be practicing with Parada every week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by digitalsuperman View Post
    fine tuning targeting filipinos is it?hehe.
    yep as well as to other countries. that goes without saying...

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    Quote Originally Posted by digitalsuperman View Post
    fine tuning targeting filipinos is it?hehe.
    what really happened at Wuhan was really intended to get Qatar unfortunately we got caught in the crossfire. From some sources, Hagop is said to have a change allegiance from the Sheik of Qatar to the Sheik of Kuwait in time for the next FIBA-Asia elections.

    but it is common knowledge we Filipinos are moving targets from the arrows of our Asian Rivals as a lot of them really find us very arrogant in flaunting that we are the best basketball outside of the NBA .... for years this was the marketing hype of the PBA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nardy View Post
    the explanation given is to sort of standardized or syncronized everything at some point as each country has different Citizenship laws and interpretation. Its because if they just follow each country's laws to the letter, it would be fair to some then unfair to others. For example in the case of the United Kingdom, their citizenry extends upto their former colonies as they are still part of the British Commonwealth and that would give the UK to much leeway to choose its athletes all over the world.

    Since Greg already played in previous FIBA organized tournaments and was deemed eligible that time, he is safe.
    thanks for the clarification sir nardy.

    so this means banchero,holt,pringle,marcus williams,standhardinger,clarkson,jensen and other high prospects would remain a dream for some of us.

    Jeremy Lin, you are the key! hahaha

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    This development is not so bad. It actually forces the SBP and its player development group to do the correct thing -- look for players as early as possible at the high school level. (Locally, we already know Ravena can play very well in high school). They can already identify the promising national players and promising discards. I know that there are enough CIA-class fans in this forum thread who can help search through all American high schools for the best FilAm players.

    Quote Originally Posted by weward View Post
    thanks for the clarification sir nardy.

    so this means banchero,holt,pringle,marcus williams,standhardinger,clarkson,jensen and other high prospects would remain a dream for some of us.

    Jeremy Lin, you are the key! hahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by weward View Post
    thanks for the clarification sir nardy.

    so this means banchero,holt,pringle,marcus williams,standhardinger,clarkson,jensen and other high prospects would remain a dream for some of us.

    Jeremy Lin, you are the key! hahaha
    Lin could open the doors more wider.

    Pringle if I am not mistaken was born either at Angeles or Olongapo ... and with him already a Filipino Citizen, he could be in if the Head Coach wants him. Same with the Rosser boys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dtfernando View Post
    This development is not so bad. It actually forces the SBP and its player development group to do the correct thing -- look for players as early as possible at the high school level. (Locally, we already know Ravena can play very well in high school). They can already identify the promising national players and promising discards. I know that there are enough CIA-class fans in this forum thread who can help search through all American high schools for the best FilAm players.
    that's why the SBP instead of organizing National Championships for College and High School teams, they are now synchronizing it with FIBA and have organized National Championships for Under-16 and Under-18 teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nardy View Post
    that's why the SBP instead of organizing National Championships for College and High School teams, they are now synchronizing it with FIBA and have organized National Championships for Under-16 and Under-18 teams.
    ooh.now i get it. that explains the NBTC leagues.thanks sir nardy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nardy View Post
    that's why the SBP instead of organizing National Championships for College and High School teams, they are now synchronizing it with FIBA and have organized National Championships for Under-16 and Under-18 teams.
    aight so far so good. now to the matter of implementation... and we just to have to have cooperation among the h.s.,colleges, and unis to release their players for the age-group asian/world championships as well.

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