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    great series. great game 7. i was starting to be disappointed with the uninteresting endings of the last few games but game 7 more than made up for it.

    congrats to tnt and bmeg.

    the series and game7 particularly shows again our weakness in FTs and our lack of dominant center and power forward among our locals. d pba is pretty much a guard league now. i feel that this is the case for the longest time but at least in the 90s we have the likes of patrimonio, paras, and asaytono. with asi and menk way past their primes and with d retirement of espino, the league need to find or develop a bigger version of patrimonio or paras to keep the league more interesting and for our national team to be much more competitive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by durden_tyler View Post
    No. Chot does not trust players with zero brains or balls. Come on now you really thing Aguilar would have an effect on that game when he at best, in the past 10 games he was getting scrub minutes and still producing nothing?

    i am amazed at how people believe Aguilar can contribute something THIS conference after what they have seen in the past 2-3 conferences? Don't get me wrong, there's still the great potential stapled in his forehead but as of now he's at the same level as of yes... Gilbert Lao.
    Sorry, but I did not mean that Gilbert Lao or Japeth will produce big numbers. What I'm trying to say is to insert Japeth/Gilbert for Peek/Harvey to allow the latter some more rest and save their personal fouls. If both Harvey/Peek are still playing during the OT period, it could have been a different story. That is a BIG IF.
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    Game 7 lang napanuod ko ng buo sa series na to, hehe. a point blank miss by Bowles could've been the happy ending for TNT, however, B-Meg and Bowles owes a lot dun sa referee na tumawag ng foul during the dying seconds of the 4th qtr, akala ko sa mga liga sa SK lang pinapaganda ang laro, hehe. seriously speaking, Denzel Bowles should have been the MVP Awardee (as mentioned by Thayil and yung mga kakuro-kuro kong tambay sa kanto). I agree to the observations of our fellow forumers here, particularly Bowles being considered to be the Serge Ibaka of the Philippines. I am also wondering what the hell happened to Japeth, is he injured, I've been missing TNT games I don't know why he wasn't trusted during the last minutes of the game, maybe because Chot feared that Japeth wasn't "mentally tough" for those kinds of situation.
    It's ironic to see limited efforts from players with maximum salary.
    I wish they would apply "sabermetrics" in those financially challenged PBA teams to acquire players who are value for their money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saints13 View Post
    Game 7 lang napanuod ko ng buo sa series na to, hehe. a point blank miss by Bowles could've been the happy ending for TNT, however, B-Meg and Bowles owes a lot dun sa referee na tumawag ng foul during the dying seconds of the 4th qtr, akala ko sa mga liga sa SK lang pinapaganda ang laro, hehe. seriously speaking, Denzel Bowles should have been the MVP Awardee (as mentioned by Thayil and yung mga kakuro-kuro kong tambay sa kanto). I agree to the observations of our fellow forumers here, particularly Bowles being considered to be the Serge Ibaka of the Philippines. I am also wondering what the hell happened to Japeth, is he injured, I've been missing TNT games I don't know why he wasn't trusted during the last minutes of the game, maybe because Chot feared that Japeth wasn't "mentally tough" for those kinds of situation.
    Japeth wasn't trusted the ENTIRE conference (and last too). That should practically tell you the entire story.
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    walang luto only choking by TNT

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    Quote Originally Posted by capitantiago View Post
    is this true cap? james yap lead the locals in def rebs for the whole confi? wow! speaks volumes about a. his playing time and b. our bigs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by killmebusy View Post
    is this true cap? james yap lead the locals in def rebs for the whole confi? wow! speaks volumes about a. his playing time and b. our bigs...
    well getting rebounds is not really all about who jumps higher or who is taller ..... as previously said many times by Charles Barkley and Dennis Rodman, it is more about proper positioning and timing. On James, his enormous big hands does give him a big advantage of getting a tight grip of the basketball, his hands is even bigger than Sonny Jaworski's who was among the top defensive rebounders during his time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nardy View Post
    well getting rebounds is not really all about who jumps higher or who is taller ..... as previously said many times by Charles Barkley and Dennis Rodman, it is more about proper positioning and timing. On James, his enormous big hands does give him a big advantage of getting a tight grip of the basketball, his hands is even bigger than Sonny Jaworski's who was among the top defensive rebounders during his time.
    add to that the good boxing out of his teammates that enables him, simon and urbiztondo to get those rebounds...

    and they played the most number of games this conference, 24 games...90/24 is just 3.75 defensive rebs per game...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Ticket View Post
    add to that the good boxing out of his teammates that enables him, simon and urbiztondo to get those rebounds...

    and they played the most number of games this conference, 24 games...90/24 is just 3.75 defensive rebs per game...
    good point...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Ticket View Post
    add to that the good boxing out of his teammates that enables him, simon and urbiztondo to get those rebounds...

    and they played the most number of games this conference, 24 games...90/24 is just 3.75 defensive rebs per game...
    what about the share of Bowles in the rebounding department?
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    Quote Originally Posted by capitantiago View Post
    what about the share of Bowles in the rebounding department?
    denzel only averaged 12 rebs per game the entire conference (8th among imports)...never had a 20 reb game....his highest was 19 rebs in game 7 of the finals...he just knows when to rebound...

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    Where can i watch the replay of this? Online only please because Im not in the country right now thanks

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    From the tweets of GM Noli, now I knew even himself have aware of Vromans poor free throw shooting together with the GSM coaching staff thats where it all started BGK fans ...

    And again Bowles development through this conference is laudable. His matchup against Earl Barron (an excellent scorer) and Vroman (surprisingly an excellent defender) made himself ready against the matchup against Donnel Harvey.
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    http://www.interaksyon.com/interaktv...me-seven-calls

    Talk ‘N Text top executives still fuming over Game Seven calls
    Chiqui Roa-Puno, News5 · Thursday, May 10, 2012 · 6:30 am

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    The Talk ‘N Text Tropang Texters wish to congratulate the B-MEG Llamados for their Commissioner’s Cup finals victory, but top executives of the team are not about to let go of the issue of what they say was poor officiating during the deciding Game Seven.

    The team is planning to send a letter to the PBA questioning the foul called by referee Jun Marabe on Talk ‘N Text forward Kelly Williams against B-MEG import with 1.7 seconds remaining.

    Manuel V. Pangilinan, owner of the Tropang Texters, clarified that the team is not seeking a reversal of the result.

    “May karapatan kang magsalita kung feeling mo agrabyado ka. Ano, tatahimik na lang kami? Hindi naman tama yun,” he said.

    (InterAKTV is part of InterAksyon.com, the online news site of TV5, which is chaired by Pangilinan.)

    Talk ‘N Text executive Ricky Vargas questioned the call, saying that similar contact in other situations have been let go.

    “Ang problema dun, yung consistency. They have not called that in the past, kasi nga, no harm, no foul,” said Vargas.

    “If you look at the videos, there are many instances when they don’t call that as a foul. Bakit nila tinawag yun and with 1.2 seconds to go?”

    Prior to the start of the series, PBA commissioner Chito Salud said that officiating will be a “non-issue” in the series, adding that complaining about calls is “a waste of time and energy” while promising that “the referees will call the games down the line.”

    But Vargas said the team is seeking concrete changes to officiating the games, which include the following steps:

    The use of most seasoned referees;
    A clear definition from the Commissioner over what constitutes a foul;
    The use of video playback to review questionable calls, especially at crucial times

    But beyond that, Vargas insinuated that results of the games may be manipulated by external forces, such as gambling.

    “There is gambling and all that, we just cannot prove it. But we all know it. If there’s such a thing, then let’s just be open about it para sa ganon hindi na-i-impluwensya yung laro or sitwasyon sa gametime.”

    Pangilinan, for his part, said that officiating in the PBA is an issue that hasn’t seen any improvement.

    “I’ve been here many years, frustrated. Parang walang nangyayari for the past 12, 13 years, nothing much has changed,” he said, adding that it’s a challenge for the PBA leadership to implement rules fairly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nardy View Post
    http://www.interaksyon.com/interaktv...me-seven-calls

    Talk ‘N Text top executives still fuming over Game Seven calls
    Chiqui Roa-Puno, News5 · Thursday, May 10, 2012 · 6:30 am

    talk-n-text-second-place.jpg
    PBA/Nuki Sabio

    The Talk ‘N Text Tropang Texters wish to congratulate the B-MEG Llamados for their Commissioner’s Cup finals victory, but top executives of the team are not about to let go of the issue of what they say was poor officiating during the deciding Game Seven.

    The team is planning to send a letter to the PBA questioning the foul called by referee Jun Marabe on Talk ‘N Text forward Kelly Williams against B-MEG import with 1.7 seconds remaining.

    Manuel V. Pangilinan, owner of the Tropang Texters, clarified that the team is not seeking a reversal of the result.

    “May karapatan kang magsalita kung feeling mo agrabyado ka. Ano, tatahimik na lang kami? Hindi naman tama yun,” he said.

    (InterAKTV is part of InterAksyon.com, the online news site of TV5, which is chaired by Pangilinan.)

    Talk ‘N Text executive Ricky Vargas questioned the call, saying that similar contact in other situations have been let go.

    “Ang problema dun, yung consistency. They have not called that in the past, kasi nga, no harm, no foul,” said Vargas.

    “If you look at the videos, there are many instances when they don’t call that as a foul. Bakit nila tinawag yun and with 1.2 seconds to go?”

    Prior to the start of the series, PBA commissioner Chito Salud said that officiating will be a “non-issue” in the series, adding that complaining about calls is “a waste of time and energy” while promising that “the referees will call the games down the line.”

    But Vargas said the team is seeking concrete changes to officiating the games, which include the following steps:

    The use of most seasoned referees;
    A clear definition from the Commissioner over what constitutes a foul;
    The use of video playback to review questionable calls, especially at crucial times

    But beyond that, Vargas insinuated that results of the games may be manipulated by external forces, such as gambling.

    “There is gambling and all that, we just cannot prove it. But we all know it. If there’s such a thing, then let’s just be open about it para sa ganon hindi na-i-impluwensya yung laro or sitwasyon sa gametime.”

    Pangilinan, for his part, said that officiating in the PBA is an issue that hasn’t seen any improvement.

    “I’ve been here many years, frustrated. Parang walang nangyayari for the past 12, 13 years, nothing much has changed,” he said, adding that it’s a challenge for the PBA leadership to implement rules fairly.
    is MVP joking? he won championships not for this team talent but the enormous fathom call by the ref favoring his team..

    TNT lead the PBA in FOULS CALLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    LOL NEWS 5 and MVP Network who was BIAS for all series LONG who didn't give BMEG a CREDIT from the very start!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    and for the FATHOM CALL I said move ON WALK AND TEXT...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nardy View Post
    http://www.interaksyon.com/interaktv...me-seven-calls

    Talk ‘N Text top executives still fuming over Game Seven calls
    Chiqui Roa-Puno, News5 · Thursday, May 10, 2012 · 6:30 am

    talk-n-text-second-place.jpg
    PBA/Nuki Sabio

    The Talk ‘N Text Tropang Texters wish to congratulate the B-MEG Llamados for their Commissioner’s Cup finals victory, but top executives of the team are not about to let go of the issue of what they say was poor officiating during the deciding Game Seven.

    The team is planning to send a letter to the PBA questioning the foul called by referee Jun Marabe on Talk ‘N Text forward Kelly Williams against B-MEG import with 1.7 seconds remaining.

    Manuel V. Pangilinan, owner of the Tropang Texters, clarified that the team is not seeking a reversal of the result.

    “May karapatan kang magsalita kung feeling mo agrabyado ka. Ano, tatahimik na lang kami? Hindi naman tama yun,” he said.

    (InterAKTV is part of InterAksyon.com, the online news site of TV5, which is chaired by Pangilinan.)

    Talk ‘N Text executive Ricky Vargas questioned the call, saying that similar contact in other situations have been let go.

    “Ang problema dun, yung consistency. They have not called that in the past, kasi nga, no harm, no foul,” said Vargas.

    “If you look at the videos, there are many instances when they don’t call that as a foul. Bakit nila tinawag yun and with 1.2 seconds to go?”

    Prior to the start of the series, PBA commissioner Chito Salud said that officiating will be a “non-issue” in the series, adding that complaining about calls is “a waste of time and energy” while promising that “the referees will call the games down the line.”

    But Vargas said the team is seeking concrete changes to officiating the games, which include the following steps:

    The use of most seasoned referees;
    A clear definition from the Commissioner over what constitutes a foul;
    The use of video playback to review questionable calls, especially at crucial times

    But beyond that, Vargas insinuated that results of the games may be manipulated by external forces, such as gambling.

    “There is gambling and all that, we just cannot prove it. But we all know it. If there’s such a thing, then let’s just be open about it para sa ganon hindi na-i-impluwensya yung laro or sitwasyon sa gametime.”

    Pangilinan, for his part, said that officiating in the PBA is an issue that hasn’t seen any improvement.

    “I’ve been here many years, frustrated. Parang walang nangyayari for the past 12, 13 years, nothing much has changed,” he said, adding that it’s a challenge for the PBA leadership to implement rules fairly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Startah View Post
    is MVP joking? he won championships not for this team talent but the enormous fathom call by the ref favoring his team..

    TNT lead the PBA in FOULS CALLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    LOL NEWS 5 and MVP Network who was BIAS for all series LONG who didn't give BMEG a CREDIT from the very start!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    and for the FATHOM CALL I said move ON WALK AND TEXT...
    [English or provide translation]
    Last edited by TrueBluePinoy; 05-10-2012 at 04:11 AM.

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