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  • #16
    How can we go to the moon with 100 times less technology than we have in a normal mobile phone 2011.

    Just make no sense since we can not do it today.

    No one can go through the Van Allen radiation belt, today we have the technology but the problem is Van Allen radiation belt.
    Originally posted by Ciscorlie Horford
    Macedonia (I refuse to call it FYROM, Article 19, Human Rights)

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    • #17
      Could we send the Tea Party to the moon - and leave them there?

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Robimkd View Post
        How can we go to the moon with 100 times less technology than we have in a normal mobile phone 2011.

        Just make no sense since we can not do it today.

        No one can go through the Van Allen radiation belt, today we have the technology but the problem is Van Allen radiation belt.
        Sorry dude but the monumental nonsense you have written should not be left unanswered.
        Robimkd's "facts":
        1.A mobile phone has 100 times more technology (e.g. rocket technology ) than Apollo 11.
        2.After "exact" calculations, he knows that in 1969 NASA had not enough "computational power" in order to achieve this task.
        (He probably doesn't understand that 3 secs of CGI special effects in the"Transformers" require incredibly more calculations than the whole 1st mission on the moon)
        3.Today, we cannot go to the moon That's a new.
        4.If today,with all these mobile phones, we cannot do it, then how did they achieve it in 1969 without even one (1) mobile phone? Obviously it's a scam.
        5.The VanAllen belt is impenetrable Another new.
        (Robimkd doesn't explain why. We can presume that he implies :
        a. Circuits would be destroyed by the radiation (satellites are another scam ) or/and
        b. Humans would be killed because of the radiation (Gagarin is a scam too.)

        Anyways,in Greece there is a saying "leme kai kammia malakia na perasei i ora" (trans. "sometimes we talk nonsense to help the time goes by"), but you (Robimkd) have made it a way of living.

        ps. for every "hobbyist". There is an interesting conspiracy theory about Gagarin's death. Food for "thought"
        Last edited by Adon; 10-04-2011, 08:12 AM.

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        • #19
          Less technology in an old rocket than in mobile 2011, yes.

          You need money the technology is very primitive even Hitler had it.

          Yes Apollo 11 cockpit hade less technology than a vacuum cleaner today.

          Yes this wos made up in USA to hide the Vitenam fiasko.

          Btw, no stars on the moon ? since when ?, earth should be 5 times the size of the moon not the same size as when you look at the moon from our planet.

          Since when did the moon have atmosphere, think about the moving flag.

          They made a lot of mistakes in hollywood, since we didint knew much about moon back then.

          Your one naive human that thinks everything that is told on the news is true. The truth is only what some people say it is pay money for it. This is a matrix we live in my son. The truth is what you read right that some poeple have payd money for. Winston Churchill told this btw.

          Have a nice evening
          Last edited by Robimkd; 10-04-2011, 10:54 PM.
          Originally posted by Ciscorlie Horford
          Macedonia (I refuse to call it FYROM, Article 19, Human Rights)

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Robimkd View Post
            Less technology in an old rocket than in mobile 2011, yes.

            You need money the technology is very primitive even Hitler had it.

            Yes Apollo 11 cockpit hade less technology than a vacuum cleaner today.

            Yes this wos made up in USA to hide the Vitenam fiasko.

            Btw, no stars on the moon ? since when ?, earth should be 5 times the size of the moon not the same size as when you look at the moon from our planet.

            Since when did the moon have atmosphere, think about the moving flag.

            They made a lot of mistakes in hollywood, since we didint knew much about moon back then.

            Your one naive human that thinks everything that is told on the news is true. The truth is only what some people say it is pay money for it. This is a matrix we live in my son. The truth is what you read right that some poeple have payd money for. Winston Churchill told this btw.

            Have a nice evening
            Someone is definitely a "naive human that thinks everything that is told". Have you "invented" this nonsense conspiracy theory by your own?
            I don't think so.

            You are just repeating the same s..t you've read (actually I don't believe that you can think even for one 1 original argument on the subject, not even an idiotic one) and you didn't care to read the answers which are given to those "arguments" by the scientific community.
            Good tactic. All scientists and every university are parts of this conspiracy.

            (edit)
            Last edited by Adon; 10-05-2011, 03:31 PM.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by prtzn View Post
              In this particular case, understanding the physics of traveling to the Moon and back is a greater task than developing a conspiracy theory...
              Hell, yeah!
              I had some contact with astronomy during my studying, it was minimal I'd say, but hey it's better than nothing. Throughout research of general dynamics we were introduced into work of Russian scientist and mathematician Meshcherskiy and of course the pioneer of astronautics Tsiolkovsky. All I can say is that it's hard to comprehend, but also very interesting to work with. It was famous Tsiolkovsky's formula and equation of Meshcherskiy. Those two gave me some proper headaches.
              Originally posted by Adon View Post
              You are just repeating the same s..t you've read (actually I don't believe that you can think even for one 1 original argument on the subject, not even an idiotic one) and you didn't care to read the answers which are given to those "arguments" by the scientific community.
              Good tactic. All scientists and every university are parts of this conspiracy.
              Can't blame anyone, really. I watched a professionally done program where all kinds of scientists debated on this case. And from both sides one was able to hear pretty good arguments. I really don't know what to think about this matter. Only two things I know for sure, it's great risk going into outer space even with today's advanced technology and the enormous costs for doing it.

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              • #22
                Staging such a massive ploy, keeping all the people involved (hundreds) tight-lipped about it even for so many years, taking the huge risk of utter ridicule (against Soviets) in case of its revelation was actually more difficult than the mission itself (imho).

                I see no reason to disbelieve it.
                5 out 6 scientists say Russian roulette is safe.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by SunOverHStreet View Post
                  Can't blame anyone, really. I watched a professionally done program where all kinds of scientists debated on this case. And from both sides one was able to hear pretty good arguments. I really don't know what to think about this matter. Only two things I know for sure, it's great risk going into outer space even with today's advanced technology and the enormous costs for doing it.
                  Actually, I've heard and seen scientists and "scientists" debating on almost anything in tv panels.
                  Was the earth created 10.000 years ago?
                  Did the Mayans hung out with aliens?
                  Can some people heal others using their therapeutic aura ?
                  Are there people possessed by demons?
                  Can astrology predict the fate or make any prediction?
                  etc,etc,etc

                  So, what?
                  Nothing of them (nor any other similar subject) is really debatable in the scientific community. (I mean, in a serious academic environment)

                  Every little village has its fool or crazy person. At least one.
                  Every big community has its share of fools and crazies too.

                  If you know some SERIOUS and UNANSWERED scientific arguments supporting the " landing to the moon hoax" theory, please let me know, because I don't know any.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Adon View Post
                    Actually, I've heard and seen scientists and "scientists" debating on almost anything in tv panels.
                    Was the earth created 10.000 years ago?
                    Did the Mayans hung out with aliens?
                    Can some people heal others using their therapeutic aura ?
                    Are there people possessed by demons?
                    Can astrology predict the fate or make any prediction?
                    etc,etc,etc
                    I feel like you're mocking me with these charades. We were talking about one of the greatest scientific events and one of the greatest human achievements (if it actually happened), which is on verge of impossible even with today's technology... I mean, many educated people have had doubts about moon landing.

                    BTW, I watched that program so long ago and I can't remember the name or anything that would help both of us right now. I strongly believe that people involved in that program were specialists involved in astronautics. If I manage to find it, I'll put it here gladly.
                    If you know some SERIOUS and UNANSWERED scientific arguments supporting the " landing to the moon hoax" theory, please let me know, because I don't know any.
                    Well, Robi already mentioned it, how do you explain waiving of the flag on the celestial object without an atmosphere? I still haven't found any logical explanation for that. Do you have maybe?

                    My two doubts:
                    1. Already mentioned flag.
                    2. How they managed to enter the lunar gravity field and successfully land on the surface without any problem. They done all their preparations on earth (especially driving the space-craft in which they supposedly landed), which is nothing close to the environment of the moon (I also believe that some helluva radiation was mentioned that would affect the crew and the craft). I say bravo for them if they managed to do it in the first attempt.

                    I hope we'll be able to discuss this... not to turn this into mockery.

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                    • #25
                      Adon@

                      It is not difficult at all to keep people silent especially when 95% of the involved poeple have families.

                      Threats works very well against people who have families.

                      One more thing that interest me, who no moon sampels back to the earth ?.

                      Officially the only thing they have is a very small stone, very streange. But these small stones hit our planet every month so is not difficult to pick up one and claime it is from the moon.

                      This is amazing to me you go to the moon and all you bring back is the smallest smallest of stone you can imagen.

                      The strongest evidence must be under a recording when they said they are 100.000 km from Earth, they made an huge blunder cuz for a few seconds you could see that they were at a distance that a satellite has, at most.

                      Whatch from 4.40 to 10.00 an especially from 7.10 to 8.33, most importent picture 8.26 to 8.33
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                      Reality my buddy is that we have never even been close to having a person on moon.

                      I have read both sides very carefull and one side makes much more sanse if we speak about science 2011.

                      Chances are less then 0.017% even today to make a moon landing.

                      Today no more hoax can be made cuz more or less everyone can follow the whole journey to the moon with a cheap pair of binoculars.
                      Last edited by Robimkd; 10-05-2011, 11:19 PM.
                      Originally posted by Ciscorlie Horford
                      Macedonia (I refuse to call it FYROM, Article 19, Human Rights)

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                      • #26
                        Adon@

                        Yes a lot of crazy people out there but also a lot of thoughtful humans in every village and city.

                        Most of the people believe what they read and see cuz they do not care.

                        It is a dream for every singel goverment to have as much people as possible to care only about sports, TV movies, gym, etc.

                        When a thoughtful people see this expert
                        who works with this his whole life he starts to think:
                        Interview with Controlled Demo Expert, Danny Jowenko, confirming that Building 7 was brought down on purpose.


                        A normal human do not care. But me on he other hand can sanse that something is very wrong, cuz I care.
                        Originally posted by Ciscorlie Horford
                        Macedonia (I refuse to call it FYROM, Article 19, Human Rights)

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                        • #27
                          I guess there will be no important discoveries anymore on the moon.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by SunOverHStreet View Post
                            I feel like you're mocking me with these charades. We were talking about one of the greatest scientific events and one of the greatest human achievements (if it actually happened), which is on verge of impossible even with today's technology... I mean, many educated people have had doubts about moon landing.
                            No intention to mock you from my side. I'm just pointing out the obvious.
                            The tv audience would find more interesting a discussion about the "moon landing hoax" than a discussion about the "unique characteristics of the isotopes existing in the lunar rock samples because of the unfiltered cosmic radiation on the moon". Do you get my drift?

                            Furthermore, many educated people-as you well know- are religious, superstitious, ignorant about natural sciences, paranoid etc. We can hear the most preposterous things coming from "educated people". Some of them are professional scientists. An ophthalmologist (with an academic degree-assistant professor ?- in the Medical School of Athens) was stating in many tv shows that the "evil eye" actually exists

                            In our times we can find TOO MUCH information about anything. The absolute stupidity is mixed with the collective knowledge of human kind. Lies, propaganda and pure nonsense are mixed with scientific facts. It's a very difficult task to tell which is what. Sometimes, it's impossible if we don't have the necessary educational background.(e.g. I cannot tell which one of the contradicted macro economical theories is brilliant or stupid but there is plenty of information about them)

                            Originally posted by SunOverHStreet View Post
                            Well, Robi already mentioned it, how do you explain waiving of the flag on the celestial object without an atmosphere? I still haven't found any logical explanation for that. Do you have maybe?

                            My two doubts:
                            1. Already mentioned flag.
                            2. How they managed to enter the lunar gravity field and successfully land on the surface without any problem. They done all their preparations on earth (especially driving the space-craft in which they supposedly landed), which is nothing close to the environment of the moon (I also believe that some helluva radiation was mentioned that would affect the crew and the craft). I say bravo for them if they managed to do it in the first attempt.

                            I hope we'll be able to discuss this... not to turn this into mockery.
                            I asked for "SERIOUS and UNANSWERED scientific arguments supporting the " landing to the moon hoax" theory". These questions have been answered many times in the past. Let us use as a starting point the answers which are given by the scientists in:

                            We can discuss your objections on the given explanations if you want.
                            Or else we will repeat the same old conversation one more time. It would be futile, don't you agree?

                            Everyone who knows the history of USSR and USA space programs knows that there was a continuous technological advancement. The landing on the moon was not by any means a technological leap. Of course, it was a very difficult task. In Apollo project 400.000 people have been working for 10 years. Among them there were some of the brightest scientists-engineers of that time.
                            And their only achievement was the production of a bad movie with lame special effects, much worse than the "2001:A space Odyssey" which had been produced BEFORE the "landing hoax"

                            (edit)
                            ps perhaps a more interesting subject would have been :
                            What are the criteria we use when we judge an opinion (an information, or a source of information) as " reliable" or "not reliable" ?
                            Last edited by Adon; 10-06-2011, 10:45 AM.

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                            • #29
                              Very good movie. Littel bit old but very good. Capricorn One.

                              Capricorn One
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                              Capricorn Speech
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                              Originally posted by Ciscorlie Horford
                              Macedonia (I refuse to call it FYROM, Article 19, Human Rights)

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Adon View Post
                                No intention to mock you from my side. I'm just pointing out the obvious.
                                The tv audience would find more interesting a discussion about the "moon landing hoax" than a discussion about the "unique characteristics of the isotopes existing in the lunar rock samples because of the unfiltered cosmic radiation on the moon". Do you get my drift?
                                Of course, I get your drift... Mass media are all about mediocracy and superficiality. Can't blame them, how many highly educated people are there exactly? I believe, it's a miserable number.
                                Furthermore, many educated people-as you well know- are religious, superstitious, ignorant about natural sciences, paranoid etc. We can hear the most preposterous things coming from "educated people". Some of them are professional scientists. An ophthalmologist (with an academic degree-assistant professor ?- in the Medical School of Athens) was stating in many tv shows that the "evil eye" actually exists
                                Ok, but I believe this wasn't an issue. Right?
                                In our times we can find TOO MUCH information about anything. The absolute stupidity is mixed with the collective knowledge of human kind. Lies, propaganda and pure nonsense are mixed with scientific facts. It's a very difficult task to tell which is what. Sometimes, it's impossible if we don't have the necessary educational background.(e.g. I cannot tell which one of the contradicted macro economical theories is brilliant or stupid but there is plenty of information about them)
                                We're living in a strange world. It's hard not to fall into various traps of a daily propaganda. From political, marketing, social, and God-knows-which activities.
                                The issue we were talking about here also have been a subject of propaganda for 40+ years, from both supporters and conspiracists... And it was more a political matter, than scientific.
                                I asked for "SERIOUS and UNANSWERED scientific arguments supporting the " landing to the moon hoax" theory". These questions have been answered many times in the past. Let us use as a starting point the answers which are given by the scientists in:

                                We can discuss your objections on the given explanations if you want.
                                Or else we will repeat the same old conversation one more time. It would be futile, don't you agree?
                                I found some answers from NASA to bee too lame, but it's just me. Can't argue about that really.
                                Everyone who knows the history of USSR and USA space programs knows that there was a continuous technological advancement. The landing on the moon was not by any means a technological leap. Of course, it was a very difficult task. In Apollo project 400.000 people have been working for 10 years. Among them there were some of the brightest scientists-engineers of that time.
                                And their only achievement was the production of a bad movie with lame special effects, much worse than the "2001:A space Odyssey" which had been produced BEFORE the "landing hoax"
                                Propaganda, dude.
                                ps perhaps a more interesting subject would have been :
                                What are the criteria we use when we judge an opinion (an information, or a source of information) as " reliable" or "not reliable" ?
                                This will take us nowhere. And as always, people tend to believe more those who are similar to them in political and cultural way. I have major doubts that American would trust a Russian source, or the other way around. No matter how competent in reality they might be.


                                BTW... I found some FOX' documentary, it's not the one I seen, but it'll serve the purpose of keeping the conspiracy alive.

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