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Keep it up sirs! PLEASE! We want more!
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Same here...thanks to our elders, we youngsters are truly learning a lot from them! Keep it up mga KUYA!Originally posted by kaiziken_pinas View Post
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Originally posted by jay p. Mercado View Postsame here...thanks to our elders, we youngsters are truly learning a lot from them! Keep it up mga kuya!
hahaha
LABAN KUNG LABAN! KAYA NATIN PILIPINAS!
Mabuhay ang TEAM PILIPINAS !!!!
NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE!
THE DREAM LIVES ON !!!!
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Chip Engelland
Arthur "Chip" Engelland played for the Philippine National Team in the XVII Intercontinental Cup and the championship winning Jones Cup Team in 1985. Chip not only played for Hall of Famer Ron Jacobs but for Hall of Famer coach Mike Krzyzewski as well.
In his senior season at Duke, Chip Engelland outscored Michael Jordan 30-22 despite Duke losing by 24 points.
The boxscores:
March 5, 1983
Durham,NC
North Carolina......MP..FGM..FGA..FT..FTA..R..A..PF..Pt. .3FGM..3FGA.TO..B...S
Perkins................31.....5......9....6...9... .9...1...3....16.....0.....0.....2...2...0
Doherty...............33.....2......5...4....4.... 3...5...2....10.....2.....2.....3...1...0
Daugherty............30.....4......7...3....3....4 ...2...2....11.....0.....0.....1...2...0
Jordan.................26...10.....18...7....8.... 6...2...3....22.....5.....7.....1...1...2
Braddock..............28.....4......5...0....0.... 1...3...1....12.....4.....5.....2...0...0
Brownlee...............6......0......1...0....1... .1...0...0.....0.....0.....0.....0...0...0
Martin.................10......2......3...0....0.. ..0...0...5.....4.....0.....0.....1...0...0
Hunter..................16.....5.....7...1....1... 3....1...3....12.....1.....1.....0...0...1
Hale....................12......0.....0...3....4.. ...0...3...0.....3.....0.....0.....1...0...1
Exum.....................5.....2.....3...1....3... .5....1...1.....5.....0.....0.....0...0...1
Makkonen...............3.....0.....2...0....0....1 ....0...0.....0.....0.....0.....0...0...0
Totals.................200...34...60..25..33..36.. 18..20...105...12...15...11...6...5
Duke...................MP..FGM..FGA..FT..FTA..R..A ..PF..Pt..3FGM..3FGA.TO..B..S
Henderson............18......3.....5....0....0.... 2...1...1...6.......0.....0....0...0...1
Bilas....................27......1.....6....3....4 ....3...0...3...5.......0.....0....1...0...0
Alarie...................29.....4......8....4....5 ....9...2...5..12......0.....0....2...1...1
Engelland..............35....11....18....2....3... .3...2...4..30......6.....9....4...0...0
Dawkins................40.....8.....20...2....4... .3...6...4..21......3.....7....4...0...0
Anderson..............13.....0......3....0....0... .2...1...3...0.......0.....0....2...0...0
Emma...................21.....1......3....2...2... .1...1....1...5......1......2....1...0...0
Tissaw...................9.....1......1....0...1.. ..3...0....3...2......0......0....3...1...0
Williams..................5.....0......0....0...0. ...1...0....2...0......0......0....1...0...0
Meagher.................1.....0......0....0...0... .0...0....0...0......0......0....0...0...0
Jackman.................1.....0......0....0...0... .0...0....0...0......0......0....0...0...0
Wendt....................1.....0......1....0...0.. ..0...0....0...0......0.....0....1...0...0
Totals.................200....29....65...13..19..3 0.13..26..81...10....18...19...2...2
N. Carolina......49 56 = 105
Duke.............43 38 = 81
Officials= Nichols, Moreau, Donaghy
Technical: UNC bench
Source: http://www.sportsstats.com/bball/boxlines/DUKE/1983Comment
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Do you have any idea if Steve Watson got injured in this tournament because he seems to have played well vs Yugoslavia (20 pts), USSR (18 pts) and Brazil (8 pts) then he was DNP vs Italy, Australia, Canada and USA but resurfaced in the 7th place game vs Australia (10 pts).Originally posted by fordmo47 View PostLABAN KUNG LABAN! KAYA NATIN PILIPINAS!
Mabuhay ang TEAM PILIPINAS !!!!
NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE!
THE DREAM LIVES ON !!!!
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Nardy,Originally posted by nardy View Post
I have no recollection at all if I was able to watch any games by our national Team. By their low seeding, their games may have been scheduled in the early afternoon and since we were in high school the whole day, we only get to see the prime time games. I did not even cut classes then because it is not an enjoyable sight seeing your national team get murdered game in and game out.
What I remember was that the Asian Youth tournament was held simultaneously with the Worlds. That is why after the opening ceremonies, the first game featured the RP Youth team. The local fans were howling with delight each time Bonifacio "Mong" de Jesus scored on a fastbreak anchored by Chito Loyzaga.Comment
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love this postOriginally posted by Jay P. Mercado View PostSame here...thanks to our elders, we youngsters are truly learning a lot from them! Keep it up mga KUYA!
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That's actually my favorite Youth Team, I liked that team more than the 1982 edition of Ron Jacobs.Originally posted by fordmo47 View Post
With Joel Banal, Marte Saldaña, Chito Loyzaga, Yoyoy Villamin, Bai Cristobal, Jayvee Yango, Boni De Jesus, Hector Calma, Joey Marquez, Rad Pasco, Biboy Ravanes, Ramon Dizon, Salvador Ramos, Mon Dizon, Jay Lucindo and Ogie Narvasa that team coached by Turo Valenzona was the tallest Philippine team I've seen at that time. And I was very intrigued in big players Joel Banal and Chito Loyzaga actually bringing down the ball with ease. But Boni de Jesus is indeed the "Star" of this team.
He even stared in a number of movies aside from his own staring role in "Mong"
I remember at the front of the jersey of the 1978 Youth team was a very large logo of Kabataan Barangay.
Last edited by nardy; 03-18-2011, 07:00 AM.LABAN KUNG LABAN! KAYA NATIN PILIPINAS!
Mabuhay ang TEAM PILIPINAS !!!!
NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE!
THE DREAM LIVES ON !!!!
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What the Hec!
[QUOTE=nardy;562376]That's actually my favorite Youth Team, I liked that team more than the 1982 edition of Ron Jacobs.
With Joel Banal, Marte Saldaña, Chito Loyzaga, Yoyoy Villamin, Bai Cristobal, Jayvee Yango, Boni De Jesus, Hector Calma, Joey Marquez, Rad Pasco, Biboy Ravanes, Ramon Dizon, Salvador Ramos, Mon Dizon, Jay Lucindo and Ogie Narvasa that team coached by Turo Valenzona was the tallest Philippine team I've seen at that time. And I was very intrigued in big players Joel Banal and Chito Loyzaga actually bringing down the ball with ease. But Boni de Jesus is indeed the "Star" of this team.
He even stared in a number of movies aside from his own staring role in "Mong"
I remember at the front of the jersey of the 1978 Youth team was a very large logo of Kabataan Barangay.
Nardy,
Thanks for the shared memories. Now that you mentioned Hector Calma as member of the 1978 team- Hec has the distinction of participating in two non-consecutive Asian Youth tournaments. Other Youth players like Rey Cuenco (1982, 1984) and Joey Guanio (1986, 1988) may have participated twice in Asian Youth tournaments but they did it in two consecutive tournaments.
Calma must have been 15 years old in 1978 that's why he was able to participate in the 1982 Asian Youth Tournament held here and won by us over China by the score of 74-63. Therefore he must be fourteen years old when he led Adamson to its only UAAP Championship in 1977Comment
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This team came from a 27 pool of players that was divided in 2 teams named RP-Selecta and RP-Hapee which played in 2002 Samsung Governors’ Cup.Originally posted by Jay P. Mercado View Post
Why nationals are struggling?
SPORTING CHANCE by Joaquin M. Henson (The Philippine Star)
Updated March 20, 2002 12:00 AM
It’s not surprising that the national team aspirants – split into two squads – are struggling in the Philippine Basketball Association (PBA) Samsung Governors Cup. But fans shouldn’t be alarmed. Their performance so far is no indication of what they can or will do as a unit at the Asian Games in Busan this September.
Four teams will drop out of contention after the single-round eliminations, leaving eight qualifiers for the quarterfinals. One of the two national teams is in danger of getting the early boot. Selecta is hovering near the bottom of the barrel although it recently broke a five-game losing streak. The other national entry, Hapee, looks like it’ll make it to the quarters but probably not among the four top seeds.
The positive sign is both Hapee and Selecta are making progress. Selecta, for instance, showed toughness in stifling the league’s no. 1 fastbreaking club FedEx to post a 76-67 decision last Sunday. And Hapee has won three of its last four assignments.
Fans shouldn’t be too impatient in expecting immediate results from coach Joseph Uichico. Assembling a cohesive unit from a pool of all-stars is no joke. The process is long and arduous. There’s more than enough pressure on Uichico’s shoulders. Fans shouldn’t add to his burden.
After the conference, Uichico will trim the candidates’ pool to anywhere between 15 to 18. The remaining hopefuls will form the 11th entry in the Second Conference. The unpicked national pool players will then return to their mother clubs.
According to PBA Commissioner Jun Bernardino, it’s still not certain what import format will be used in the next conference. An option is to allow teams with over two players in the pool to recruit two imports with a combined ceiling of 13 feet and teams with less than two players in the pool to recruit a single import of unlimited height or some kind of handicapping formula.
Apparently, some – if not most – teams are feeling the pinch of hiring two imports. While it was informally agreed to set a maximum monthly salary of $18,00 for an import, the cap seems to be more a guide than a rule. The scuttlebutt is some imports are paid more than $18,000 a month. But even assuming a team keeps within the limit, two imports will mean $36,000 a month or the equivalent of P1.84 million. That’s a lot of dough, any way you look at it. With business the way it is these days, not too many teams may like to spend that kind of moolah for imports.
So why are the national teams struggling? Here are 10 theories.
• Incomplete lineups. Selecta is missing Ali Peek and Hapee, Noy Castillo.
Both Fil-Ams are in the US undergoing therapy. Jimmy Alapag sat out four games waiting for his Department of Justice (DOJ) clearance then fractured his right hand in his debut. Eric Menk skipped five straight games for Selecta before he was activated. The Seigle brothers are still hurting.
• Too many stars. Selecta and Hapee are loaded with go-to guys who start for different teams. It’s not easy reorienting the stars to their new roles. The problem isn’t ego. The problem is adjusting to what is expected of a role player in the national team.
• Mother team rule. There is an unwritten covenant that prevents national players from seeing action against their mother teams. That’s why when Hapee lost to Red Bull, DaVonn Harp and Mick Pennisi didn’t play. That’s why when Selecta lost to Sta. Lucia Realty, Dennis Espino watched on the bench. Clearly, the rule stinks because it implies that national players won’t give it their all against their mother clubs. Isn’t the PBA supposed to be a professional league? If the idea is to get the national players used to playing as a unit, they should be permitted to suit up at every possible opportunity – even against their mother clubs.
• Experimentation. Different combinations of players are being sent in as Uichico tries to find out which click and which don’t. He’s also constrained to use as many players as possible. Note that in the Hapee roster, there are 14 players and in Selecta, there are 13. If Jeffrey Flowers and Chris Clay were cleared by the DOJ and Romel Adducul released by the Metropolitan Basketball Association (MBA), Uichico would’ve had to contend with three more stars.
• Internal competition. Like it or not, there is intense – and healthy – rivalry going on beneath the surface of the team. Of the 27 aspirants, only 12 will be wearing the national colors in Busan. Of course, everyone’s hoping to be chosen. In the end, 15 won’t be.
• Anxiety. Let’s face it. The focus of the national pool is regaining supremacy in Asia, not winning the Samsung Governors Cup title. It’s a daunting task that the nationals face. They’re feeling the pressure. And they’re probably thinking beyond the PBA.
• Playing to train. While both Selecta and Hapee are out to win, it isn’t their real calling. The national pool is training for a bigger competition. They’re looking at the bigger picture. Not that they couldn’t care less about winning in the PBA. It’s just that at the end of the day, what’s crucial is the national players are honed for Busan. Winning the Samsung Governos Cup trophy isn’t as important.
• Fans can’t relate. Because Selecta and Hapee are selection teams, fans can’t seem to relate. In the PBA, fans like to cheer for their favorite teams. Take Barangay Ginebra, for instance. The team has undergone a lot of player changes through the years. Robert Jaworski came and went. So did Marlou Aquino, Noli Locsin, and Vince Hizon. But rabid Ginebra fans remain fiercely loyal to the club. Fans are a team’s sixth man – Hapee and Selecta don’t enjoy the luxury of that advantage.
• Unreal opposition. The presence of National Basketball Association (NBA)-caliber imports may be a damper for the national players. After all, there won’t be Derrick Brown or Julius Nwosu or Jerald Honeycutt types in Busan. Perhaps, the players aren’t too motivated to slug it out against the Ron Hales and Jermaine Walkers for that reason. The opposition in Busan will be of a different class.
• Period of adjustment. Obviously, the national players are still feeling their way through. They’re adjusting to the international rules–the shorter periods, the team and personal foul limits, ball interference above the rim, the weight of a technical foul, the zone. They’re adjusting to the officiating. They’re adjusting to each other. They’re adjusting to their new roles. They’re adjusting to the coaching staff’s system.
So let’s all be patient. The national players are sacrificing a lot. Uichico and his coaching staff, too. They deserve our unqualified support.The Final 15 for the National Team from the pba website:
Apr. 19 , 2002
Merry mix makes up final cut
By MUSONG R. CASTILLO
JEFFREY Cariaso has seen so many close calls insofar as making the National Team is concerned.
And for the third straight time since 1994, he found himself in the final cut of the country's most ambitious bid to win back the Asian Games basketball gold together with 14 others who will be sculpted for war against the best and the brightest in this region come September.
National Team coach Jong Uichico released a list of 15 players who will make up the pool heading into the final five months of training, and this team has a merry mix of size, height, talent, and obviously, the heart to pull off the trick in Korea.
Together with Cariaso, Uichico named Noy Castillo, Kenneth Duremdes, Dennis Espino, Boyet Fernandez, Rudy Hatfield, Dondon Hontiveros, Danny Ildefonso, Chris Jackson, Eric Menk, Mick Pennisi, Olsen Racela, Andy and Danny Seigle and Asi Taulava into the roster.
The list was trimmed down to that number from an original 27 that played for two teams in the Samsung Governors Cup and the most notable absentees in the 2002 Asian Games lineup were Johnny Abarrientos and Marlou Aquino.
Abarrientos, who has been slowed down by the wear and tear in the Philippine Basketball Association, and Aquino, were members of the Centennial Team that won the bronze medal in Bangkok, Thailand in 1998 and their non-inclusion will obviously come as a surprise to many who have followed the development of this team.
But Uichico obviously has his reasons, that's why he also included Castillo in the lineup even with the Purefoods ace missing the whole of the Governors Cup because of an injury that had to be treated in the United States.
Cariaso was also a candidate in the 1994 and 1998 teams but was the final cut each time.
The training process started late last year with original head coach Ron Jacobs, who was replaced by Uichico in January after suffering a heart attack before Christmas.
Of the 27 players in the pool, 17 of them were named by Jacobs and Uichico as the nucleus of the team and the others came from the good hearts of the team owners who released them for the sake of national interest.
And now that the final cut has been made, those who are not included in the final 15 but were also not named to the original 17 can go back to their mother teams immediately.
The others who were named to the original 17 but were not picked in the final cut were Davonn Harp of Red Bull, Poch Juinio of Pop Cola, Aquino of Sta. Lucia, Ali Peek of Alaska and Don Camaso of Talk N Text.
Those who got releases from their teams and who can return immediately are Patrick Fran of Talk N Text, Abarrientos of Pop Cola, Chris Calaguio of Shell, Rafi Reavis of Coca-Cola, EJ Feihl of Barangay Ginebra and Ren Ren Ritualo of FedEx. The other candidate is Jimmy Alapag who is a Non-PBA Fil-american discovery.
LABAN KUNG LABAN! KAYA NATIN PILIPINAS!
Mabuhay ang TEAM PILIPINAS !!!!
NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE!
THE DREAM LIVES ON !!!!
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I can Wonder if the NCC then can trump pba teams, elite pba teams to be specific(Manila Beer) by 40++ points with imports why they cannot beat Malysia, Thailand by more than 15 points did the pba teams improve or just Malaysia, Thailand lost has been left behind in Basketball
To becomes Asia's Best, we need to compete against the World's Best..
1 Big 4 small > 5 out offense.Comment
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Hahaha! The BAP ensured that our Teams would be competitive in the Youth Competitions by suiting-up players who are overaged but this practiced ended when Glenn Capacio and the Codinera brothers, Harmon and Jerry had a press conference exposing they are overaged and cannot join the Youth Team with a clear concience. In succeeding Youth Teams we also seen players named by the BAP soon after withdrawing as they're not 18 years old and under. There was even a team that was almost made-up completely of replacement players.Originally posted by fordmo47 View Post
Hector Calma in official records was born born March 2, 1960. In the 1978 Youth that was held October 1978 in Manila, he was already past 18 years old by more than 6 months.LABAN KUNG LABAN! KAYA NATIN PILIPINAS!
Mabuhay ang TEAM PILIPINAS !!!!
NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE!
THE DREAM LIVES ON !!!!
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Nardy,
For what I can recall, the Asian Youth competitions was a tournament for players who were 19 years old and below. A player becomes eligible so long as his 20th birthday does not fall on or before the tournament period. Hence, Hector Calma, after turning 18 on March, 1978, was still eligible for the 1978 Asian Youth competitions.Comment
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my bad as FIBA had lowered the Zonal Youth Tournament to its curent 18 years old and under. But yes during the time of the Asian Basketball Confederation days, its 19 years old and under. But that still does not make Hec qualify for the 1982 edition.Originally posted by Jay P. Mercado View Post
Manny Paner born May 17, 1949 was also over the limit when he played in 1970 Youth.
Plus there are actually more.LABAN KUNG LABAN! KAYA NATIN PILIPINAS!
Mabuhay ang TEAM PILIPINAS !!!!
NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE!
THE DREAM LIVES ON !!!!
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If we actually check the lineups of our national youth teams from 1970 to 1984, you'll be actually surprised to see that there are only a handful who were eligible to play. It was common practice back then to field players who were more than 19 years old to suit up for the Philippine Youth team. As to how this started, I really can't tell except that the BAP back then, as well all know, was run by Gonzalo "Lito" Puyat.
In 1987, when the Codinera brothers and Glenn Capacio made the revelations, I doubt if there ever was a youth team formed that had a player who was overaged. Such was the impact of these revelations - and it augurs well as we now follow the rules accordingly.The 1982 RP Youth lineup alone was probably made up of around 10 players who were 20 years old and more (Calma being the most senior at 22) so you know it was pretty much standard practice back then to cheat. Looking back, you can't help but be grateful to Jerry, Harmon and Glenn for the revelations made. We may not have won a Youth crown from thereon but then, at least we can have faith that the teams fielded in were legitimate.Comment
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