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Thread: Giving the 2nd Olympic Slot for Asia Now: yes or no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojado View Post
    You didnt say that in your initial post.
    Also, you can play the best in the world...in friendlies/test games. There is no need for landslide victories at the Olympics for European or Latin American teams against the third or fourth best team from Asia. And no Asian team will gain anything from being routed. Asia gets also enough slots for the WC.
    Simply said: First you beat the other Asian nations, then you can get against the top of the world. Africa could demand otherwise the same thing. I dont see any reason to change the format as it is.
    your logic might be correct but bias..
    if africa would demand also the same thing then they have to give it..

    you must always look at the equilibrium of life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acklium View Post
    your logic might be correct but bias..
    if africa would demand also the same thing then they have to give it..

    you must always look at the equilibrium of life.
    Purely nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acklium View Post
    give some slot to asia since a lot of european nts are playing in WC
    That's nonsense. Noone stops them from playing as many test matches as they want against european teams, but those tournaments should be played by the best teams, and therefore the current number of slots given to Asia is more than enough at the moment.

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    Yes, there should be two.

    In addition, it's a good marketing move as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FilipinoDad View Post
    Yes, there should be two.

    In addition, it's a good marketing move as well.
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    Venezuela's national preselection smoothly overcame its similar Japan 91-53 in the first game of the pre-Olympic preparations with preparations to Mar del Plata, Argentina, to be played from August 30 to September 11.

    The guard Greivis Vasquez left a good impression on the fans who filled the Miranda Park Arena, with the main expectation of observing the local hero who plays in the NBA with the Memphis Grizzlies.

    Vasquez ended the day with 15 points, 8 assists and 7 rebounds to lead the Venezuelan attack, against an opponent that showed many technical defects and that at no time put a real opposition in the field.

    Venezuela decided the match in the same first quarter with a partial closing of 22-7, which the Nipponese could never recover from.

    "The atmosphere was phenomenal. Our effort early in the game set the tone, "said the coach of the squad burgundy, American Eric Musselman, who started on the court David Cubillan, Vasquez, Nestor Colmenares, Windy Graterol and Gregory Echenique.

    "Windy was great defensively. Greivis David played very well together, especially at the beginning, "said the strategist.

    After 21 consecutive practices, the quintet was able to show the work of that the tricolor national team has been doing. They were good things, but also others in which there is much to correct.

    Japan launched two baskets of 37-10 to 27 percent, but took some liberties triples to take a hit of 50 percent (16-8).

    "We made many mistakes on defense than we have to clean. We got late at the pick and roll coverage and to defend the weak side, "Musselman acknowledged.

    The coach was not very pleased with the offensive execution, but said it was because "we have many days of practice followed and the legs of the players are tired."

    What the coach stated "ball movement and dribbling was one of my concerns and we did very well at those aspects of the game. "

    Vasquez: it was seven years since the last time I played in Caracas (in the youth categories), said he was "anxious. It was a dream to play in the city where I am from. I felt good in the position two (He is a point guard in the NBA). I will do what the coach wants, I came here to work. "



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciscorlie Horford View Post
    And the point is what? While I'm against Asia getting a 2nd berth, Japan has never ever finished in top 4 in any Asian Championship since 1997, much less top 2. So your example is completely irrelevant.

    Unless you think Hong Kong beating Guam by 32pts in 2009 proves that Oceania shouldn't get the 2nd berth in Olympics.
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    The simple fact is Europe and the Americas only get two automatic slots, and Asia has done nothing to demonstrate they are on that level. Perform better the WC's and Olympics, win some additional qualifying tournament games, and then it's worth discussing.
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    I don't understand how this is even a serious thread. If they're good enough to deserve more spots they have the opportunity to win them at the qualifying tournament. With Yao retired they can consider themselves lucky that FIBA grants every zone an automatic spot.
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    Fiba Asia-Pacific - now that'll be good for basketball here, lifting the level of competition for both sides. Skills wise if Euro and Americas get 2 automatic slots, then 1 for Asia seems fair. But then with only 2 more slots for the qualifying tournament, you can't blame us to hope for more. That's where we are supposed to prove our worth. Friendlies aren't usually played with the best teams, unless probably if it's in preparation for the FIBA zonal championships.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinobball View Post
    Those who voted YES must all be Filipinos. Seriously.

    Look at 2008; the 2nd Asian team (Iran) went winless. Enough said.

    I do agree with the expansion to 16 though.
    and i think this year you Chinese will now also vote "YES" you know what i mean. bye bye powerhouse..

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    Asian can compete with Europeans.

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    Well, if China always qualifies for the Olympics every time, I'm in for giving one more slot for Asia, but we might as well give one more for Africa as well.

    I understand where some people came from though.

    Europe is the most competitive FIBA zone, where even the 16 seed can beat the 1 seed with regularity.

    Americas get two slots because Team USA, even after USA keeps qualifying for every WC and Olympic without going through FIBA Americas.

    Africa is capable of upsetting top level teams in the Worlds.

    Asides China, there hasn't really been any good Asian team on the world stage. But then again, how is Asia going to compete if it's not exposed to stronger competition?

    I get it that only the best deserve to be in the Olympics, but the spirit of the Olympics IMO is in just being able to participate in the biggest stage of them all. If you can win it all here, why not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HenningOttosen View Post
    Asian can compete with Europeans.
    I hope you are kidding here.Let's write below some teams European teams that can win even with a 20P of they play seriously,with all their stars participating.


    Spain
    France
    Serbia
    Greece
    Lithuania
    Italy
    Turkey
    Slovenia
    Germany
    Russia
    Croatia


    Even the average Asian teams don't have a single chance against


    Latvia
    Czech Republic
    Israel
    Poland
    Finland
    Belgium
    Ukraine etc


    Don't try to prove something from this.European continent is the most competitive one,it's not even close with the Asian teams

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    Quote Originally Posted by judasmartel View Post
    Well, if China always qualifies for the Olympics every time, I'm in for giving one more slot for Asia, but we might as well give one more for Africa as well.

    I understand where some people came from though.

    Europe is the most competitive FIBA zone, where even the 16 seed can beat the 1 seed with regularity.

    Americas get two slots because Team USA, even after USA keeps qualifying for every WC and Olympic without going through FIBA Americas.

    Africa is capable of upsetting top level teams in the Worlds.

    Asides China, there hasn't really been any good Asian team on the world stage. But then again, how is Asia going to compete if it's not exposed to stronger competition?

    I get it that only the best deserve to be in the Olympics, but the spirit of the Olympics IMO is in just being able to participate in the biggest stage of them all. If you can win it all here, why not?

    And that's why World cup is going to be the major competition since Olympics are about equal participation but the conditions don't allow it.

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    Today's answer is simply: No. (Judging from the results)

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    Should be just one Asia/Oceania spot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JGX View Post
    Should be just one Asia/Oceania spot.
    That means Australia will qualify every time, NO ASIAN TEAMS IN THE OLYMPICS.

    The IOC is simply too adamant to increase the teams to 16, but for now the system ain't broken, it just so happens that Asia is the weakest zone due to lack of quality competition. Adding Australia and New Zealand to form the Asia-Pacific zone is the first step to increasing the competition in the region. Now teams will adjust to the quality of Australia and New Zealand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by judasmartel View Post
    That means Australia will qualify every time, NO ASIAN TEAMS IN THE OLYMPICS.

    The IOC is simply too adamant to increase the teams to 16, but for now the system ain't broken, it just so happens that Asia is the weakest zone due to lack of quality competition. Adding Australia and New Zealand to form the Asia-Pacific zone is the first step to increasing the competition in the region. Now teams will adjust to the quality of Australia and New Zealand.

    With the enlargement of the teams I could see 7(4+3 from the OQTs)teams from Europe.Serbia,France,Greece,Lithuania,Spain,Italy, Croatia
    Australia and New Zealand for Asia.Brazil,Canada and Argentina from America,probably Senegal or Nigeria from Africa+US and Japan as hosts.There will be one group in which won't have a powerhouse as well but some solid teams like Russia/Turkey and Latvia.So yes,it's 90% site from my side than until Asians make some really remarkable success(don't see that happening in a 4 year period) won't have Olympic participation at basketball.Looks fair only because with the chances given to China at 00's they only managed to reach 1/4s and with squads 10 times better than the current squad.If you want the best of the best to be there,that's the most ideal solution.No way China/Nigeria/Venezuela provide more resistance than the likes of Italy/Canada/Greece.It's sad,I can understand how you actually feel now,but we feel the same thing and we actually deserve it much more than these three do.Otherwise adjust basketball like football with the U-23 rule and let equal participation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R1ou View Post
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    This time, however, the US must participate in the home-and-away qualifying tournaments to make it to the World Cup, then make it to Top 2 Americas WC teams to make it to the Olympics. Only one slot shall be provided to each of Asia and Oceania, so there are still 2 Asian teams in Tokyo, and Australia and New Zealand cannot qualify directly at the same time, only one can qualify directly.

    I have said this before, I like our chances at the Olympics this time, as we only have to at least get to Round of 16 in the Worlds and get the best WC ranking by an Asian team to get to the Olympics, unlike before where we have to play to win every single time 'cause only the champs will get in.

    But until an Asian team becomes capable of actually beating European and Americas teams on a consistent basis, no more Olympic slots will be given to Asia. I don't see a U23 Olympic basketball because Olympic medals matter more to NBA stars than WC medals, so FIBA got around that by making the WC the ONLY direct qualifier for the Olympics. Besides, the US would probably wreck everybody in U23 basketball.
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