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Originally posted by saints13if having half-breds is a crime..then RP NT is guilty..LOLZ
well I guess the flames already died down on this thread..
I believe that even if FIBA invents and enforces something like the rule mentioned above, that interracially mixed children would still be able to make their countries' national teams in a variety of sports, which of course, I think that they should be allowed to do.
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I was just kidding, nothing serious about my postIt's ironic to see limited efforts from players with maximum salary.
I wish they would apply "sabermetrics" in those financially challenged PBA teams to acquire players who are value for their money.
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looks like leroy felt the pressure that leb might give china a run for its money next championship dt worry leroy if china is a dominant country in asia than 1 player shouldnt make a difference(vogel) if china has 1 billion people and lebanon just 4 million......btw im thinking now china has 1 billion people and their 2nd team lost in the 1st round...and at the world stage they are hightly dependant on Yao Ming....they are not good at all compared to their population .....
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Originally posted by karimlooks like leroy felt the pressure that leb might give china a run for its money next championship dt worry leroy if china is a dominant country in asia than 1 player shouldnt make a difference(vogel) if china has 1 billion people and lebanon just 4 million......btw im thinking now china has 1 billion people and their 2nd team lost in the 1st round...and at the world stage they are hightly dependant on Yao Ming....they are not good at all compared to their population .....
Joe Vogel has been a part of the Lebanese team for several years, and the Lebanese team has been doing consistently well, coming in 2nd in most Asian basketball competitions in the last several years when he is on the team. He definitely tips the balance of the scales in Lebanon's favor, as evidenced by his 18 point, 15 rebound (game high), 1 steal performance, in the FIBA-ASIA Championships semi-final. Lebanon only won by 2 points, so they barely squeaked by Korea. And as Yao Ming shows on the Chinese National Team, one player can definitely make a big difference on a basketball team, as Lebron James also shows in getting his team to the NBA Finals. I think that without Joe Vogel, Lebanon might not have won the semi-final and Korea might have won instead. That may or may not be true, but then I think that they should replay the match without their imports this time--Lebanon without Joe Vogel, and South Korea without Daniel Sandrin, and then that would erase all doubt. That is also why I say, that rankings are junk, because using certain tricks like importing good naturalized players certain countries can win more games in international competitions and vault their countries ranking way higher than they really deserve, even more than the native sons of their own people of the country really deserve. China's FIBA ranking may even be lower than they really deserve.
My point is not to prove that South Korea is a greater country than Lebanon, or even that Lebanon is a greater country than South Korea. I believe that they are all equal regardless of who wins or loses in basketball, but to prove the verse in the Bible that says, "The battle does not go to the strong, nor the race to the swift".
Rankings are just junk, they are meaningless, but if you choose to rank countries as superior or inferior by having competitions, then you must do it in a fair way, and not include naturalized players that were born in America. Some Iranians are complaining in the FIBA news reports of Lebanon's semi-final victory over Korea in the comments section even before Lebanon's final match against Iran that Lebanon has American players on their team and are not pure-blooded Persians as the Iranians are claiming that their country's basketball team is. As long as you have this loophole in the FIBA rules, then if you win over people, people will always be suspicious of your victory and claim that it is not genuine. And so I believe that FIBA should close this loophole, and let only players born and bred in their native land compete on their national basketball teams so that they can truly represent their country.
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Originally posted by saints13if having half-breds is a crime..then RP NT is guilty..LOLZ
well I guess the flames already died down on this thread..
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Originally posted by budz17man, I have an issue calling peole half-breeds. it does'nt sound good. its not right. it sounds like like your talking about an animal. they're real people. its not their fault they were born that way. have a heart bro
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if FIBA allows a country to use naturalized players, then so be it. no use crying about something you have no control of. if fiba allows countries to use players with dual citizenship, then so be it. these people are subject to the laws of countries they are playing for. my understanding is, if you are naturalized, tyhen you renouce your former citzenship. so if rasheim wright is naturalized, he is no longer american. he is jordanian.
yes, its true, it takes away something from the joy if your team wins with naturalized players. its up to those countries if they can accept that kind of a win. no need to blast fiba about it and call this FIBA Asia championships junk.
but blast fiba for giving asia only 1 slot in olympics, that's the real junk.
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I am also against the rule of naturalizing but I think some other countries with small populations really needs it, so be it. And Karim pls don't brag too much and say China is just about Yao Ming coz obviously its not. What about you, your Fadi El-Khatib super rangers team?
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The Asian Championship is not junk because of the naturalized players. If you are good then you should overcome naturalized players and half-breeds. China's A team have no problem with it.
But the Asian Championships is junk because of the weakness of the competition and that includes China itself. LOL
China is therefore right to train the A team in the Stankovic Cup. It doesn't do China or Asia any good for Yao, Yi, Wang, Sun and the rest of the A team to play in the Asian Championships.
Why? Because in order for Asia to gain any more slots, Asians have to start winning against teams from other continents. This is why Lebanon is the second strongest team in Asia by far. It has won against outsiders in the WBC, including France and Venezuela.
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Originally posted by budz17man, I have an issue calling peole half-breeds. it does'nt sound good. its not right. it sounds like like your talking about an animal. they're real people. its not their fault they were born that way. have a heart broIt's ironic to see limited efforts from players with maximum salary.
I wish they would apply "sabermetrics" in those financially challenged PBA teams to acquire players who are value for their money.
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