Philippine national team in the 1986 PBA Season

[donmar]

I just wanna ask if anyone here knows about the Philippine national team that competed in the 1986 Asian Games are the same team that competed in the 1986 PBA season as a guest team?... just wonmdering... cheeers!

[bolabasket]

[donmar]

Is it the same team as the one playing as a guest team in the PBA?

[joel23]

It is not Philippine team line-up played in the PBA...

[Servinio]

I just wanna ask if anyone here knows about the Philippine national team that competed in the 1986 Asian Games are the same team that competed in the 1986 PBA season as a guest team?... just wonmdering... cheeers!

YES, it was essentially the same team that was to compete in the 1986 Seoul Asian Games. With the San Miguel franchise filing a leave of absence before the start of the First Conference, the Nationals carried the banner of Magnolia.

The old Northern Consolidated team that won the Asian Men's Championship in January and a ticket to the World Championships in Spain later in the year was disbanded. Project Director Danding Cojuangco, Coach Ron Jacobs and naturalized players Jeff Moore, Dennis Still and Arthur Engelland all fled to the United States after the ouster of President Ferdinand Marcos in February.

A new team had to be formed consisting of Northern remnants and the best college talent available. The players included the likes of Eric Altamirano, Allan Caidic, Glenn Capacio, Jerry and Harmon Codinera, Jojo Lastimosa, Samboy Lim, Ronnie Magsanoc, Alvin Patrimonio, Dindo Pumaren, Elmer Reyes and the late Jack Tanuan.

Suddenly, San Miguel announced that would be returning to the PBA by the 1986 Third Conference. The rest of the Northern players like Hector Calma, Franz Pumaren, Yves Dignadice and company turned pro to form the core of the new San Miguel franchise. Lim and Reyes would later join the team immediately after the Asian Games.

[donmar]

YES, it was essentially the same team that was to compete in the 1986 Seoul Asian Games. With the San Miguel franchise filing a leave of absence before the start of the First Conference, the Nationals carried the banner of Magnolia.

The old Northern Consolidated team that won the Asian Men's Championship in January and a ticket to the World Championships in Spain later in the year was disbanded. Project Director Danding Cojuangco, Coach Ron Jacobs and naturalized players Jeff Moore, Dennis Still and Arthur Engelland all fled to the United States after the ouster of President Ferdinand Marcos in February.

A new team had to be formed consisting of Northern remnants and the best college talent available. The players included the likes of Eric Altamirano, Allan Caidic, Glenn Capacio, Jerry and Harmon Codinera, Jojo Lastimosa, Samboy Lim, Ronnie Magsanoc, Alvin Patrimonio, Dindo Pumaren, Elmer Reyes and the late Jack Tanuan.

Suddenly, San Miguel announced that would be returning to the PBA by the 1986 Third Conference. The rest of the Northern players like Hector Calma, Franz Pumaren, Yves Dignadice and company turned pro to form the core of the new San Miguel franchise. Lim and Reyes would later join the team immediately after the Asian Games.

Cheers bro... I appreciated it!... is that mean the likes of Allan Caidic, Samboy Lim and Hector Calma played in the PBA as amateurs from 1984 to 1986?

[nardong_putik]

Wow nice history!

Please keep posting and we learned a lot from this kind of topic.

Thank you

[bolabasket]

1985 Northern Consolidated

please find the complete NCC line-up in the 1985 PBA season:

5. Franz Pumaren
6. Leoncio Tan, Jr.
7. Elmer Reyes
8. Alfonso Solis
9. Avelino "Samboy" Lim
10. Arthur "Chip" Engelland
11. Tonichi Yturri
12. Yves Dignadice
13. Dennis Still
14. Hector Calma
15. Jeffrey Moore
16. Allan Caidic
17. Alfredo Almario
18. Jerry Codiñera
19. Ludovico Valenciano

Coach: Ron Jacobs

THis was the team that won the 1985 Reinforced Conference, sweeping Manila Beer 4-0. See if you still recognize some of the names.

[joel23]

YES, it was essentially the same team that was to compete in the 1986 Seoul Asian Games. With the San Miguel franchise filing a leave of absence before the start of the First Conference, the Nationals carried the banner of Magnolia.

The old Northern Consolidated team that won the Asian Men's Championship in January and a ticket to the World Championships in Spain later in the year was disbanded. Project Director Danding Cojuangco, Coach Ron Jacobs and naturalized players Jeff Moore, Dennis Still and Arthur Engelland all fled to the United States after the ouster of President Ferdinand Marcos in February.

A new team had to be formed consisting of Northern remnants and the best college talent available. The players included the likes of Eric Altamirano, Allan Caidic, Glenn Capacio, Jerry and Harmon Codinera, Jojo Lastimosa, Samboy Lim, Ronnie Magsanoc, Alvin Patrimonio, Dindo Pumaren, Elmer Reyes and the late Jack Tanuan.

Suddenly, San Miguel announced that would be returning to the PBA by the 1986 Third Conference. The rest of the Northern players like Hector Calma, Franz Pumaren, Yves Dignadice and company turned pro to form the core of the new San Miguel franchise. Lim and Reyes would later join the team immediately after the Asian Games.

Great! I'm very appreciate it! So 1986 Philippine team a new team for preparing for Asian Games after the ABC and EDSA revolution right??? What are sponsors? I know Joe Lipa has tookover as headcoach from Ron Jacobs right?

[Sakamoto]

YES, it was essentially the same team that was to compete in the 1986 Seoul Asian Games. With the San Miguel franchise filing a leave of absence before the start of the First Conference, the Nationals carried the banner of Magnolia.

The old Northern Consolidated team that won the Asian Men's Championship in January and a ticket to the World Championships in Spain later in the year was disbanded. Project Director Danding Cojuangco, Coach Ron Jacobs and naturalized players Jeff Moore, Dennis Still and Arthur Engelland all fled to the United States after the ouster of President Ferdinand Marcos in February.

A new team had to be formed consisting of Northern remnants and the best college talent available. The players included the likes of Eric Altamirano, Allan Caidic, Glenn Capacio, Jerry and Harmon Codinera, Jojo Lastimosa, Samboy Lim, Ronnie Magsanoc, Alvin Patrimonio, Dindo Pumaren, Elmer Reyes and the late Jack Tanuan.

Suddenly, San Miguel announced that would be returning to the PBA by the 1986 Third Conference. The rest of the Northern players like Hector Calma, Franz Pumaren, Yves Dignadice and company turned pro to form the core of the new San Miguel franchise. Lim and Reyes would later join the team immediately after the Asian Games.

Sir you forgot to include Harmon Codinera in the line up. He is one of the good center in the team until he suffered an injury in the game againts S.Korea in the early part of the semis match. We lost to Korea but it was controversial because the running jumper by Allan Caidic that went in was called an offensive foul.

[Servinio]

Cheers bro... I appreciated it!... is that mean the likes of Allan Caidic, Samboy Lim and Hector Calma played in the PBA as amateurs from 1984 to 1986?

YES, the national team played under the name of Northern Consolidated as a guest team. As per the agreement with the then BAP, the players would retain their amateur status and still represent the country. Open basketball was far from everyone's minds back then.

So when EDSA I broke out in February, the whole country was in some sort of disarray. Hence, the 1986 PBA season started later than usual, April to be exact.

Samboy Lim, Elmer Reyes, Jerry Codinera and Allan Caidic were the former Northern players drafted to play in the new national team under Coach Jose Lipa. The rest of the squad was in limbo as their loyalties were still with the exiled Mr. Cojuangco. I wrote earlier that San Miguel took a leave from the PBA, reducing the field to only six teams! The nationals though were sponsored by Magnolia.

Lim and Reyes would reunite with their old Northern mates Hector Calma, Yves Dignadice, Pido Jarencio, Alfie Almario, Franz Pumaren and Tonichi Yturri when the PBA allowed the re-entry of San Miguel as Magnolia in the 1986 Third Conference. In order to have a strong team, San Miguel was allowed to bring in the Northern core. Caidic would turn pro the next year via Great Taste and Codinera in 1988 via Purefoods.

By the way, there was a burning debate at the end of the year. There were some who contended that Lim should have been Rookie of the Year and not Ginebra's Dondon Ampalayo. It turned out that although Lim had better overall statistics, he did not play enough games since he became a regular PBA pro only in the Third Conference. Hence, his stats with the national team in the earlier conferences were disregarded.

[donmar]

YES, the national team played under the name of Northern Consolidated as a guest team. As per the agreement with the then BAP, the players would retain their amateur status and still represent the country. Open basketball was far from everyone's minds back then.

So when EDSA I broke out in February, the whole country was in some sort of disarray. Hence, the 1986 PBA season started later than usual, April to be exact.

Samboy Lim, Elmer Reyes, Jerry Codinera and Allan Caidic were the former Northern players drafted to play in the new national team under Coach Jose Lipa. The rest of the squad was in limbo as their loyalties were still with the exiled Mr. Cojuangco. I wrote earlier that San Miguel took a leave from the PBA, reducing the field to only six teams! The nationals though were sponsored by Magnolia.

Lim and Reyes would reunite with their old Northern mates Hector Calma, Yves Dignadice, Pido Jarencio, Alfie Almario, Franz Pumaren and Tonichi Yturri when the PBA allowed the re-entry of San Miguel as Magnolia in the 1986 Third Conference. In order to have a strong team, San Miguel was allowed to bring in the Northern core. Caidic would turn pro the next year via Great Taste and Codinera in 1988 via Purefoods.

By the way, there was a burning debate at the end of the year. There were some who contended that Lim should have been Rookie of the Year and not Ginebra's Dondon Ampalayo. It turned out that although Lim had better overall statistics, he did not play enough games since he became a regular PBA pro only in the Third Conference. Hence, his stats with the national team in the earlier conferences were disregarded.

Thanks a lot! ... I really appreaciate it!...

[ankle breaker]

that clearly shows that even before, we are already relying on to some naturalized players to help us win international games. therefore, it's not an issue at all. why can't why do it now when we already did it before? the only thing that can help us making it to the world championships or olympics are the fil-ams and naturalized players.

[mon23]

It was the same team that played in the 1986 Asian Games, they carry the colors of Magnolia Quench Plus in the 1986 PBA All Filipino, finishing last place in a 7-team field with a 1-win, 5-loss record, they lost to Alaska in a knockout game.

members of that '86 team under coach Joe Lipa.

Samboy Lim
Allan Caidic
Elmer Reyes
Jerry Codinera
Jojo Lastimosa
Ronnie Magsanoc
Glen Capacio
Alvin Patrimonio
Dindo Pumaren
Eric Altamirano
Harmon Codinera
Jack Tanuan

[Jay P. Mercado]

This only goes to show how good a coach Ron Jacobs was. Joe Lipa was no slouch, and despite him handling a team that had the core of the NCC national team, he had difficulty making this team competitive in the PBA. Of course, the PBA was still very competitive back then as the best players of the country were all in the PBA. Jaworski, Fernandez, Cezar, Villamin, Victorino, Guidaben, Brown, among others, were all at their respective primes or near primes that it would be difficult to beat the teams that they played for. Of course, Lipa also missed the heart and soul of NCC - Hector Calma - who was the driving force behind Jacobs' set plays. Lipa had to contend with upstart point guards like Magsanoc, Altamirano and Dindo Pumaren - all collegiate standouts but were still lacking in international experience.

But then, had Jacobs been handling the team, even without the three naturalized players, NCC would still have been competitive against the PBA teams. They may not have won the championship as teams like Tanduay, Ginebra and Great Taste were still formidable but they would have been competitive.

Jacobs was also a master of scouting opponents prior to the game. This was essentially one of Jacobs' biggest contribution to Philippine basketball - the art of preparation. Jacobs was a stickler for this and didn't want to come into the game without knowing what lies ahead. He understood his team's weaknesses but exploited their strengths and made sure that he focused on his opponents weak spots when plotting out his game plan.

If open basketball was already around in 1986 and the best PBA talents were to be made available, who would have been part of the RP team among the pros? I surmise our slotmen would be Fernandez, Guidaben and Victorino, our power forwards would be Cezar, Abe King and Villamin, our small forwards would be Willie Pearson and Allan Caidic, off guards would be Ricky Brown and Samboy Lim and our PG's would be Jaworski and Calma. Brown would alternate as PG in case of foul trouble for either the Big J or Calma. Our shooting would be handled by Brown, Jaworski, Lim, Caidic and Pearson. And while we would get offense inside from the three big men, the three power forwards would take care of guarding the team's best center / forward and collaring the boards.