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    Google denies leaving China, seeks negotiations




    SHANGHAI (Reuters) - Google Inc enters a second week of high stakes brinkmanship with China's government, amid speculation the firm has decided to pull out of the world's biggest Internet market over cyber-spying concerns.

    Google, the world's most popular search engine, said last week it was thinking about quitting China after suffering a sophisticated cyber-attack on its network that resulted in theft of its intellectual property.


    The company has said it is no longer willing to filter content on its Chinese language google.cn engine, and will try to negotiate a legal unfiltered search engine, or exit the market.


    Most of the filters on google.cn were still in place on Sunday, though controls over some searches, including the June 4, 1989 Tiananmen crackdown, appear to have been loosened.


    The Google announcement captured the attention of China's 384 million netizens, the world's largest Internet market by users, with blogs and local media quoting unnamed insiders as saying Google has already decided to close its offices in China.


    Google has denied that, saying the company is still in the process of scanning its internal networks since the cyber-attack in mid-December. Google also said it would hold talks with the Chinese government over the next few weeks.


    China has tried to play down Google's threat to leave, saying there were many ways to resolve the issue, but insisting all foreign companies, Google included, must abide by Chinese laws.


    Washington said it is issuing a diplomatic note to China formally requesting an explanation for the attacks.


    The Google issue risks becoming another irritant in China's relationship with the United States, already strained by arguments over the Chinese currency's exchange rate, trade protectionism and U.S. arms sales to Taiwan.


    Washington has long been worried about Beijing's cyber-spying program. A congressional advisory panel said in November the Chinese government appeared increasingly to be penetrating U.S. computers to gather useful data for its military.


    When Google introduced its google.cn website in 2006 with the decision to self-censor searches, it said the move would benefit the Chinese people by expanding access to information.


    "We think we have made a reasonable decision, though we cannot be sure it will ultimately be proven to be the best one," a top level Google spokesman told the U.S. Committee on International Relations in 2006.
    Google's move to publicly denounce censorship and accuse Chinese hackers of launching an attack that resulted in the theft of its intellectual property was seen as a bold move.


    "We have never seen a company take on the Chinese government in such a public and confrontational manner," said James McGregor, senior counselor to public affairs consultancy Apco Worldwide.


    But it may backfire as signs emerge the firm has already damaged its prospects in China regardless of whether it carries out its threat to quit the country.


    JPMorgan analyst Dick Wei said he thinks Google's relationship with the Chinese government is already strained and if the firm decides to stay, it could be subject to tighter regulations.


    UBS analyst Wang Jinjin also believes Google's relationship with advertisers has been damaged as a result of the threat and that they will choose Baidu Inc over the firm.


    On Saturday, Yahoo was dragged into the growing row after its Chinese partner Alibaba Group slammed its statements supporting Google.
    Playing down the concerns raised by Google, rival Microsoft Corp said it had no plan to pull out of China.


    Microsoft has high hopes for its Bing Internet search engine in China, which has only a small share of the market but could benefit if Google, the No. 2 player behind dominating local rival Baidu Inc, pulls out.
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  • #2
    I heard recently China started to censor SMS messages. They censor even Skype. One man's cellphone was blocked because he was using inappropriate words in SMS. This is ridiculous. Year 2010 and things are looking same like in dark ages. People are not free in China

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    • #3
      CCP is bull shit....google,youtube.....Hu Jintao in his old age seems more and more care about his reputation in CCP,not Chinese people overall....

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Test View Post
        I heard recently China started to censor SMS messages. They censor even Skype. One man's cellphone was blocked because he was using inappropriate words in SMS. This is ridiculous. Year 2010 and things are looking same like in dark ages. People are not free in China
        and why is chinese gov't so paranoid? are they hiding something?

        i say let the f*cking aging leader die,heart attack/anything,and start a revolution after his death.go free yourselves chinese people.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by weward View Post
          and why is chinese gov't so paranoid? are they hiding something?

          i say let the f*cking aging leader die,heart attack/anything,and start a revolution after his death.go free yourselves chinese people.
          Nice. you see what you have done? Now Chinese members of IBN will be jailed for reading propaganda

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          • #6
            China is amazing hell by political means. After 20 years of Tiananmen Square events (2009) in April 14 foreign journalist wasn't even allowed to enter Tiananmen Square. Some sources are saying that in China you won't find much by googling such terms like even "democracy" not to mention such things as "Tiananmen square victims" ect. Is it really China's people are so repressed? (I wouldn't be surprised if no-one here would report on his issue though). It's a fucking shame that Olympics 2008 was held in Beijing after all these years of political oppression of China's government. And yeah 2010 and nothing is fucking changing...

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Straight forward View Post
              China is amazing hell by political means. After 20 years of Tiananmen Square events (2009) in April 14 foreign journalist wasn't even allowed to enter Tiananmen Square. Some sources are saying that in China you won't find much by googling such terms like even "democracy" not to mention such things as "Tiananmen square victims" ect. Is it really China's people are so repressed? (I wouldn't be surprised if no-one here would report on his issue though). It's a fucking shame that Olympics 2008 was held in Beijing after all these years of political oppression of China's government. And yeah 2010 and nothing is fucking changing...

              GOD BLESS CAPITALISM THAT COMES HAND IN HAND WITH POLITICAL AND SOCIAL OPPRESSION.
              It's hugely exaggerate.....
              google page http://www.google.cn/search?hl=zh-CN...B4%A2&aq=f&oq=

              google page http://www.google.cn/search?hl=zh-CN...2&aq=f&oq=(key word:democracy) Indeed,democracy is a very hot topic among Chinese people,espeicially on the internet....Even the president and premiere like to use this word....

              And journalists are allowed to enter everywhere freely...except those where riots happened lately....for example,2008' Tibet,2009's Xinjiang....In Tiananmen square you can always find some foreign journalists.....

              China does have serious political problems,but some foreign exaggerated news about this can only make some young Chinese be very nationlism,which is good for the f**k CCP....

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              • #8
                Originally posted by BlacKOEIsle View Post
                CCP is bull shit....google,youtube.....Hu Jintao in his old age seems more and more care about his reputation in CCP,not Chinese people overall....

                blackoeisle i thought all this time you were a 五毛(50 cent party*)

                man youve got balls i salute you for being true and not having to keep face but telling the truth to it.
                you got my respect on this

                by the way off topic if you guys ever went to certain bbs you will see some very propaganda talk/written statements which just has no real logic at all...they are more than likely written by what we cal "wu mao" or 50 cent group. if you guys don't know basically they are people who "spin" the thoughts of bbs users to make it more pro ccp or pro china or whatever the party wants that day.



                you can read up more on them on wiki

                i get so pissed with them when i read chinese bbs and english bbs sometimes.

                anyways i hope google does not kowtow to the party. its bullshit in my opinion

                chinese people deserve better than this.

                "China does have serious political problems,but some foreign exaggerated news about this can only make some young Chinese be very nationlism,which is good for the f**k CCP...."

                what blackoeisle said is very true. chineswe have like this long history and culture of face/reputation. no matter what it always has to look good "harmonious" so sometimes when news is exxagerated even the most criticial of the chinese gov, get all nationalistic and then the party gets all happy because they can spin this anyway they like.
                Last edited by stuart; 01-19-2010, 05:44 PM.
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                • #9
                  Say whatever you want to say, but after what is said and done, who will
                  emerge the winner and left standing, it will be the ccp.

                  This prudent and efficient ccp has tuck away 2.5 trillion forex for the
                  raining day, unlike most corrupt government of the world , who's been
                  borrowing and consuming like there's no tomorrow.

                  you still doubt the ccp will shepherd china into superpower status.
                  Just take a look at what china has become in so short a time under
                  the ccp. can you say the same thing of your own country,

                  china now has 380 million net users, more than the usa population.
                  do you think any government can deny 380 million access to information,
                  certainly the ccp cannot.

                  and speaking of revolution, why don't you start one in your own
                  country, certainly your government is corrupt and should be overthrown.
                  ever wonder you don't have forex reserve? it's because your corrupt
                  official has hide what little money your country has in some foreign
                  private account.
                  Last edited by batgirl; 01-19-2010, 04:14 PM.

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                  • #10
                    the sooner google quit china, the better. china do not need the biggest
                    purveyor of porn in their backyard. its not like the chinese can't access the internet without google. good riddance.

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                    • #11
                      Google Delays Release of Cellphones in China

                      Google Delays Release of Cellphones in China

                      BEIJING — Google said Tuesday that it and a Chinese cellphone service company had postponed the release this week of two mobile phones that would use Google’s Android software.

                      Google did not give a reason for the delay, but a person briefed on the situation said the company did not feel that the phones should be released given the current uncertainty over its Chinese operations and its Chinese-language search engine. The company announced last week that it would negotiate with Chinese officials over the government’s unwelcome requirement that Google censor searches on its Chinese search engine, Google.cn. The company, based in Northern California, said it could shut down or curtail operations in China if the government did not relent.

                      Google made last week’s announcement after it discovered that hacking attacks traced to mainland China had been directed at its security infrastructure and that of more than 30 other companies based in the United States. Google was also frustrated by separate attacks against the Google e-mail accounts of rights advocates working on China issues.

                      Opponents of China’s complex system of Internet censorship, nicknamed the Great Firewall, and of the authoritarian nature of the Communist Party in general were pleased with Google’s move, though some skeptics say Google has little to lose from withdrawing from China since its search engine has a relatively small market share here; Baidu, which runs a homegrown search engine, is dominant.

                      The announcement that Google and China Unicom were postponing the release of the cellphones showed that Google has more at stake in China than just the revenue from Google.cn.

                      The two phones were to be released on Wednesday and are made by Samsung and Motorola, with service provided by China Unicom. The phones use an open-platform software developed by Google called Android. Anyone can download the source code of Android, install the software on their cellphones and customize it. Because of this, cellphone companies have already offered Android phones in China, and individual users here have presumably used the software before.

                      But what made these two phones different is that Google had been working closely with Samsung, Motorola and China Unicom on their design and operating systems. Google applications had been carefully packaged with the phones.

                      Google thought it would be “irresponsible” to release the phones since it did not “know how things are going to turn out in the coming weeks,” the person briefed on the situation said. The person agreed to speak on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitive political nature of the dispute between Google and China.

                      “Put yourselves in the shoes of a consumer thinking about what phone to buy next week or the week after — there’s just a lot of uncertainty and confusion,” the person said.

                      On Tuesday afternoon, Ma Zhaoxu, a foreign ministry spokesman, said at a news conference that “foreign enterprises in China need to adhere to China’s laws and regulations, respect the interests of the general public and cultural traditions, and shoulder corresponding responsibilities. Google is no exception.”
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                      • #12
                        im curious if batgirl is talking about chinese government officials in all her rants?
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Phantim3dx View Post
                          im curious if batgirl is talking about chinese government officials in all her rants?
                          Can't you understand simple english.?

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                          • #14
                            Oh no, how will China survive now without Google? This is a disaster, much worse than the Opium Wars.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Prometheus on fire View Post
                              Oh no, how will China survive now without Google? This is a disaster, much worse than the Opium Wars.
                              You,re right, Google in China is much worse than the british selling opium in
                              China.

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